Phil Frazier Says No 3rd Patch or DLC For Madden 09

[Jistic]

It was obvious that bone they threw out about possible DLC the day before release was pure strategy and was never gonna happen. Why anyone thought any differently is beyond me. It's human nature to believe/hope for the best no matter how many times we're mislead.

Anyway, without CPU sliders this game isn't worth my time making this the umpteenth Madden in a row that I can't even get through one season of.

Well done guys! Can't wait to see all the great videos next spring showing how awesome 2010 is gonna be!

[JMD]

Quote: Originally Posted by carnalnirvava

somebody mentioned its $ 27 at gamestop well thanks because i just got my pre-order on COD WaW money........ with fifa and live being good i'll get my franchise or online fix somewhere else....... devs stay off the boards because even though you come here and blah blah we get garbage ......

I suggest getting your money back on that pre order COD 5 WAW is a horrible game. I've been playing the beta. A better title for the game would be COD 5 Spawn killing. Just another bunch of tiny maps, and the same old crap run & gun gameplay, SNOOZE.

[faster]

I can't take it. EA, you are simply a disgrace. Ban me, I don't care. Enough is enough. Madden has been a sorry excuse for a football game for quite a long time now. EVERY SINGLE NEXT GEN game been absolute crap. Yes, Madden 09 does some good things, but the bad HEAVILY outweigh the good.

I do blame you for the extinction of the NFL2K series and I've been able to get over that because it's business. But the fact is, you extinguished that series and brought us NOTHING in return.

Phil and Ian, you should be ashamed of your product. The community here at Operation Sports is your most loyal, most vocal, and most honest. Most of us will buy the game yet again next year, expecting, hoping, praying, that things will have changed. Will they? I don't know.

How about you get this community TRULY involved in the process next year? Make some of us testers for your game and let us tell you where it's lacking. Yes, others will see your efforts and your game beforehand, but SO WHAT. I've just been on 3 different beta projects and they aren't perfect -- heck no. But, they ALL have turned out quite well and there's no way they would have been the same without real input from REAL, DEDICATED, HARDCORE user opinions.

I'm sorry, if anyone from the Madden team comes on here and even tries to give me a line of BS about their thorough testing procedures, I will strangle my cat. There's no feasible way any long time Madden gamer, football fan, or living, breathing homo-sapien, could have tested this game and missed SOOOO much.

Take a long look at your team members, your direction, and if this is really what you want out of your final product this year. Look at the team you have for next year. Look at your processes and procedures, and see where they have failed not just this year, but every year for quite some time. Then, and only then, will you be on the road to truly creating a game that's worthy enough to bear the great John Madden's name.

Thank you and good luck.

[D16NJD16]

I still dont know what stops people from renting first, and then decided whether or not it's worth a buy. Surely the last 3-4 years of Madden has been enough t warrent that sort of playing it safe.

[Old Mr T]

No CPU sliders is very poor.

[spankdatazz22]

Quote: Originally Posted by MJenness

When the CURRENT dev team made decisions to "fix" broken elements of this game by 1) turning OFF fatigue to balance online no-huddle, rather than making OFFENSIVE fatigue higher (thereby punishing the cheesers by having the offense make errors such as false starts, errant passes, etc) and 2) "fixing" the QB throwing beyond the LOS (which should be a penalty, plain and simple) by having it so the DB doesn't leave the reciever wide open.

Frankly those are the things that concern me more than the lack of a DLC patch for '09. And there's a host of so many other things to add - QB animations that haven't been fixed four years in. The misdirected attention to the OL/DL play and interaction. The complete lack of WR/DB interaction. Stiffarms which seem predicated on which player "wins the button battle" and laughably results in smaller offensive players slamming larger defensive players WWE-style. Etc., etc... There's just so much that can be said that a DLC patch wasn't going to fix. Really the blame lies with Tiburon. There was a conscious decision made to remove cpu sliders - that hurts worse than a bug causing the cpu sliders not to work. The lack of additional camera angles, or things like accelerated clock - in Madden's fourth next gen iteration...? And still Madden is looked as being *that* close to greatness (and Tiburon devs that think it's already great lol) because it's not "as disappointing". It would've been nice if Tiburon threw a bone to it's fans and released the DLC, but people shouldn't fool themselves into thinking it would've fixed most of the game's problems. Unfortunately I think a lot of people have lowered their expectations beyond low for Tiburon's football titles.

Next year it'll be interesting to see if the same people complaining are the ones most excited and willing to hop on the hype train soon as it kicks off. While it should be the hardcore demanding a quality football title it will likely be the so-called casuals that actually force change.

[Garrett67]

There was a point in the recent past where one of those two guys mentioned that the DLC was coming soon, or it was near completion. So obviously they were working on it.

What happened? Could they not figure out how to implement it? It didn't work? The game kept freezing on them?

I will most likely sell my CE version on Ebay. I haven't even taken Head Coach out of the case and haven't played Madden in a month because I was WAITING for the DLC.

[SkinsBoYee]

Anyone else feel duped or cheated? No new camera's for 4 years?...oh, we are working on it. Its in the DLC. Oh, but there is a chance its not..but there is a chance there is.

No competition means one company can put whatever they want out... THERE IS NO COMPETITION. Its funny...football, I am sure if we took a pole, would be the clear favorite sport of the majority here. I am just basing this off the popularity of the game as a whole compared to the other big 3 sports. Yet, in the video game sports world, It is only the football game (Madden) that seems to not be ascending to the heights of the other 3 big sports games in terms of quality on the next gen.

Basketball - Two great games this year.
Hockey - Two great games this year
Baseball - I digress to MVP 05 on the PC as the king, but you have The Show and 2k...I am sure quality that people like.
Soccer - Fifa taking huge steps it looks like, and that other game that Evo Pro.

All in all...consumers have a choice, and it seems like the COMPETITION of a competing company is driving the makers of any of the games for video sporting game...DRIVE HARDER TO PRODUCE THE BEST POSSIBLE PRODUCT ON THE MARKET TO INCREASE THEIR MARKET SHARE.

I wonder if the producers of Madden have that sort of drive pushing them? Oh ya, they don't...cause there is no competition. Till this ridiculous exclusive rights agreement is broken, we the consumers of video football games are just going to get a half arsed product. Time to wake up to that realization.