Phil Frazier Says No 3rd Patch or DLC For Madden 09

[MJenness]

Quote: Originally Posted by mwjr

If they bought the game, then they didn't really "jump ship," so to speak.

This year now being the 2010 version..........and I would certainly consider it "jumping ship" if so many people are trading 09 in or selling it already, as it's only two freaking months old!

[mwjr]

Quote: Originally Posted by MJenness

This year now being the 2010 version..........and I would certainly consider it "jumping ship" if so many people are trading 09 in or selling it already, as it's only two freaking months old!

Except that EA already got their money.

IMO, the online availability of gaming systems has been a double-edged sword. On one hand, it's been great for people who play online and has opened up a whole new universe.

On the other hand, I am fully convinced that it's made game developers - specifically sports game developers - lazy, as they know they can fix things via patches.

[miamimarlins1]

Quote: Originally Posted by DSpezzano

I'm glad I finally know what is going on and what I am dealing with. I'm just making one post and I am going to tell you that you lost a loyal customer today. One person may mean jack in the big picture and since you really have no idea if I am loyal or not it could be an empty threat to you. But I was a loyal supporter and defender of your game, some of the anti-EA people like GT who I have battled with and repeatedly stuck up for EA over the years on other forums will probably be in shock by seeing this statement. I'm done, you're disingenuous people who are only out to market a game. Well played you and Ian fooled me and you will continue to fool many more people next year and probably for years to come. You're snake oil salesmen and good ones, I hope you make this product better in the future but you have no track record of being honest so my hopes aren't high. No need to ban me or anything like that I will go back into lurker mode for games who do deliver like The Show, NHL and Fifa. Good day, good riddance and good luck to all the people who will endure the same BS next year.

I'm right with you. I hope others follow because the only way to get this monopoly right is to stop buying the product. If sales decline they'll start listening. And that is THE ONLY WAY they will listen

[Scoop 24]

well i guess that puts the final nail in the coffin for madden for me.. see you next year EA.

[SoxFan01605]

Quote: Originally Posted by MJenness

These are all easy remarks to make if YOU are satisfied with the game, however, I think you're in the minority as far as that goes (or it's at least 50/50 now...read the thread about "is Madden broken"). I've seen some pretty hardcore Maddenites jump ship this year...myself included. For me, sliders held at least the POSSIBILITY of having a current NFL game to play this year....now that pipe dream died with this announcement.

lol...you bolded and focused on the disclaimer point in what I wrote and ignored the point. First, I understand that people think Madden is broken...that is not the point. The freezing issues (for those having them) are the only thing "breaking" this game though, and there was nothing in the DLC that would relieve that. This isn't an issue of whether the game is good, bad, or anything in between. The DLC held no promise of making the game "playable" by any means. The CPU sliders you keep holding onto would have been the same CPU sliders as the last several Maddens. Why would they update something they took out of the game in the first place? They were simply plugging the old sliders back into the game. The Madden sliders have NEVER been truly effective. Did sliders help the last three next gen Maddens?Now you expect them to save 09 for you? This is where you lose me.

I think Madden has a long way to go. In fact, the ONLY reason I purchased it was my own admitted impatience and desire to get NFL HC early. I am fine with my purchase because HC is awesome and Madden plays as I expected it would. My expecations weren't ramped up because I know what Madden has been on next gen and I knew what 09 was because I researched before I bought. I have no more resources for consumer research than you or anyone else, yet I felt prepared for what I got and you seem to feel duped. This is why I don't understand the feeling of betrayal about the DLC. It was never promised, the features added were never gauranteed to improve gameplay, the main "gamebreaking" issues would not be addressed, etc. This is my point. Your Madden is no different today than it was when patch #2 came out. If you were done then, you should be no more or less done now.

For the record, I am not "satisfied" with Madden, and never said I was. I am satisfied with my purchase because I knew what I was getting with Madden and I gambled (and won)on the purchase for NFL HC. If the data is available (and if you are patient with your purchases, it always is) and you make your purchase regardless, you have to at least shoulder part of the blame for your unsatisfactory purchase. People say they don't make the games, but they're only half right. Their wallets play a large role in how their product is developed. Do you think Ian, Phil, and co. were put up front for Madden just for kicks? It was likely a response (and time will tell whether or not it was an effective one) to stagnant sales and an increasingly vocal minority of "sim" gamers tired of what Madden puts out each year.

There are complaints they hear and act upon, believe me, but uproar over something that was never definitively going to be a part of the game (and would have never made it better from a gameplay standpoint anyway...which everyone contends is their primary concern) is rediculous IMO. I, myself, will not be buying Madden on day one (as I never do...product research, remember) next year and if franchise and more core gameplay features aren't addressed, I won't purchase it at all. I won't be mad about it, I won't be "let down." I'll just do something else. I will continue, like you and many others, to voice my opinion about the game. I want it to be better too. I just won't fall apart over everything that relates to it.

[marktg30]

"We will continue to listen to our fans"... and do nothing to improve this game in the future.

[RGiles36]

I'm not going to quote SoxFan's reply as not to clutter the page. However, I agree with his sentiments 100%.

[MJenness]

Quote: Originally Posted by SoxFan01605

lol...you bolded and focused on the disclaimer point in what I wrote and ignored the point. First, I understand that people think Madden is broken...that is not the point. The freezing issues (for those having them) are the only thing "breaking" this game though, and there was nothing in the DLC that would relieve that. This isn't an issue of whether the game is good, bad, or anything in between. The DLC held no promise of making the game "playable" by any means. The CPU sliders you keep holding onto would have been the same CPU sliders as the last several Maddens. Why would they update something they took out of the game in the first place? They were simply plugging the old sliders back into the game. The Madden sliders have NEVER been truly effective. Did sliders help the last three next gen Maddens?Now you expect them to save 09 for you? This is where you lose me. I think Madden has a long way to go. In fact, the ONLY reason I purchased it was my own admitted impatience and desire to get NFL HC early. I am fine with my purchase because HC is awesome and Madden plays as I expected it would. My expecations weren't ramped up because I know what Madden has been on next gen and I knew what 09 was because I researched before I bought. I have no more resources for consumer research than you or anyone else, yet I felt prepared for what I got and you seem to feel duped. This is why I don't understand the feeling of betrayal about the DLC. It was never promised, the features added were never gauranteed to improve gameplay, the main "gamebreaking" issues would not be addressed, etc. This is my point. Your Madden is no different today than it was when patch #2 came out. If you were done then, you should be no more or less done now. For the record, I am not "satisfied" with Madden, and never said I was. I am satisfied with my purchase because I knew what I was getting with Madden and I gambled (and won)on the purchase for NFL HC. If the data is available (and if you are patient with your purchases, it always is) and you make your purchase regardless, you have to at least shoulder part of the blame for your unsatisfactory purchase. People say they don't make the games, but they're only half right. Their wallets play a large role in how their product is developed. Do you think Ian, Phil, and co. were put up front for Madden just for kicks? It was likely a response (and time will tell whether or not it was an effective one) to stagnant sales and an increasingly vocal minority of "sim" gamers tired of what Madden puts out each year. There are complaints they hear and act upon, believe me, but uproar over something that was never definitively going to be a part of the game (and would have never made it better from a gameplay standpoint anyway...which everyone contends is their primary concern) is rediculous IMO. I, myself, will not be buying Madden on day one (as I never do...product research, remember) next year and if franchise and more core gameplay features aren't addressed, I won't purchase it at all. I won't be mad about it, I won't be "let down." I'll just do something else. I will continue, like you and many others, to voice my opinion about the game. I want it to be better too. I just won't fall apart over everything that relates to it.

And again, I did NOT buy 09...I rented twice based on the last 3 years and the fact i was very suspicious about the extremely shallow demo put out. However, I did HOPE (or maybe dream) that IF they put out DLC, and IF the sliders got rid of robo QB and a couple other issues, that FOR ME, the game would at least be playable then.