Phil Frazier Says No 3rd Patch or DLC For Madden 09

[NEWYORICAN]

Quote: Originally Posted by edaddy

While I can see some people thinking it was a bait and switch I can't see people being duped..I mean cmon if people didn't research Madden before they bought it that's on them..By now everyone should know the EA cycle it's rinse and repeat..like clockwork..They (the reps) will be in here sporadically from Jan- May then in full force as the release date and Community days are near...They will tout old features like they are new explain why this is the best Madden to date (with the help of Community leaders) and then proceed to market their game..marketing will be oversaturated and we will all be intrigued and caught up in the hype until the actual game comes out(EA banks on this) and reality sets in..a patch or two will come out for glaring issues and then the cycle will repeat..While I hate to put it in simplistic terms that's basically it in a nutshell...Anyone who doesn't research or rent before they buy then complain really has no gripe...it's the EA way ..I howver do repect Ian and Phil for subjecting themselves to people but at the end they are in it to sell games and make money thats the bottom line.. and if adding in old features and calling them new as well as marginally improving game play each year helps them make money then so be it ..it is obviously working..lol ...DLC was never promised however they way to put it implied that it was almost a done deal, and I could see how people might be upset about this...

Your right on!!, Everyone should know by now how EA does business...this dosn't surprise me. I stop buying Madden, Madden 07 was my last one...and I brought it cheap..used!!, I never buy new EA games, never!

[J.R. Locke]

For all the claims of lazy EA and money grubbing EA I think everyone is underestimating the ego of the developers. They want to do good by our community. I can guarantee they use our opinions, at least the educated ones on here more than they care for the "acclaim" they get for making EA all that money.

Bring the hate if you need but in the end we all want EA to make the best simulation of a football game. The claim to make EA feel it in their wallet isn't going to do much because the sim crowd is small, if anything the lack of sales may have the game regress into a pure arcade game. I think the most logical step to improve EA's football titles is to appeal to the producer and programmers pride.

[SoxFan01605]

Quote: Originally Posted by rudyjuly2

The biggest mistake was for EA to ever come on the boards and talk about the DLC. It was assumed by many to be a reality. It's like promising little Jimmy some ice cream after dinner if he finishes his meal. And after he finishes eating all his vegetables, you look in the freezer and see there's no ice cream. Not only does little Jimmy get no ice cream, the parents don't even tell him why. They just say, "Sorry Jimmy. We lied. We're not giving you any ice cream so go to bed." Jimmy just got shafted and never even got an explanation. The lack of an explanation is what makes it that much worse. I'm sure Ian and Phil meant well when they promised the DLC. But they should at least have the guts to come on here and say we screwed up and why. Even if they can't say everything, say something.

This would be an excellent analogy if we were actually promised the DLC. We weren't. All the anger over this is based on people getting their hopes up for no valid reason. EA has a history of not coming through with certain things, particularly in regards to Madden. Why so many people got their hopes up over an EA "hopefully" scenerio is beyond me. While I believe Ian and Phill had good intentions with their sharing of a DLC proposition, I think it was a poor idea given the nature of this community. They were in a lose-lose in this situation unless the DLC is released (and they could have actually still lost with many even if that happened...just look through the forum). They don't share info, they get slammed. They share info and we don't like it...they get slammed. My opinion on the actual value of the DLC to gameplay withstanding, the shock and anger this news has generated-given the history of Madden on next gen- is laughable to me.

That said, I do agree with you that some type of explaination or reasoning would be nice. Personally, I'd like to know where the decision came from and what the basis was. I'd imagine though, that they've probably learned by now that nothing they say will matter all that much anyway. Unless they come on and say "on second thought, here's the DLC," no one b*tching now will believe there is a good reason to why there isn't DLC (they may or may not be right...separate discussion). If anything a response now would probably be borderline (or maybe not so borderline) counter-productive. In any case, I'm still interested to see what direction Ian takes Madden 2010. No more or less interested than before this news, but curious nonetheless.

[D16NJD16]

Quote: Originally Posted by SoxFan01605

This would be an excellent analogy if we were actually promised the DLC. We weren't. All the anger over this is based on people getting their hopes up for no valid reason. EA has a history of not coming through with certain things, particularly in regards to Madden. Why so many people got their hopes up over an EA "hopefully" scenerio is beyond me. While I believe Ian and Phill had good intentions with their sharing of a DLC proposition, I think it was a poor idea given the nature of this community. They were in a lose-lose in this situation unless the DLC is released (and they could have actually still lost with many even if that happened...just look through the forum). They don't share info, they get slammed. They share info and we don't like it...they get slammed. My opinion on the actual value of the DLC to gameplay withstanding, the shock and anger this news has generated-given the history of Madden on next gen- is laughable to me. That said, I do agree with you that some type of explaination or reasoning would be nice. Personally, I'd like to know where the decision came from and what the basis was. I'd imagine though, that they've probably learned by now that nothing they say will matter all that much anyway. Unless they come on and say "on second thought, here's the DLC," no one b*tching now will believe there is a good reason to why there isn't DLC (they may or may not be right...separate discussion). If anything a response now would probably be borderline (or maybe not so borderline) counter-productive. In any case, I'm still interested to see what direction Ian takes Madden 2010. No more or less interested than before this news, but curious nonetheless.

There shouldnt be a need for DLC in the first place.

[SoxFan01605]

Quote: Originally Posted by D16NJD16

There shouldnt be a need for DLC in the first place.

lol...I can agree with that also. In a perfect scenario, there shouldn't be a need for patches either, but that's all an entirely different discussion.

[ityaboy56]

Yo, I was in the middle of playing NBA 2K9, which btw is OFF THE CHAIN, and heard that there will be no DLC. (wait a minute while I stop laughing)......................................... .......................... Ok, I'm cool now. Yo, when r yall gonna realize that EA DON'T GIVE A DAMN ABOUT THE CONSUMER!!!!!!! They got their money. They r gonna keep putting out garbage until another company (ahem) 2K, Midway, Bandai somebody else finally gets a chance to do right by the great sport of football. All EA hears is CHA-CHING. Thats what it is about. They know they will have hundreds of thousands of people standing in line each and every year,(except me) as long as they can disgrace the name of John Madden and football. (oh btw I sold mine to a friend of a friend for $50 and he is mad as hell). I know a guy who manages a Gamestop, and he said he has never seen this many maddens traded in so soon after its release. Oh, well, I just wanted to take time to say that. Enjoy your game, if u can. And I know the EA lovers will do just that. Now back to playing a REAL GAME. NBA 2K9. YESSIIIIIIIIIIRRRRRRRR!!!!!

[BigTigLSU]

Quote: Originally Posted by ityaboy56

Yo, I was in the middle of playing NBA 2K9, which btw is OFF THE CHAIN, and heard that there will be no DLC. (wait a minute while I stop laughing)......................................... .......................... Ok, I'm cool now. Yo, when r yall gonna realize that EA DON'T GIVE A DAMN ABOUT THE CONSUMER!!!!!!! They got their money. They r gonna keep putting out garbage until another company (ahem) 2K, Midway, Bandai somebody else finally gets a chance to do right by the great sport of football. All EA hears is CHA-CHING. Thats what it is about. They know they will have hundreds of thousands of people standing in line each and every year,(except me) as long as they can disgrace the name of John Madden and football. (oh btw I sold mine to a friend of a friend for $50 and he is mad as hell). I know a guy who manages a Gamestop, and he said he has never seen this many maddens traded in so soon after its release. Oh, well, I just wanted to take time to say that. Enjoy your game, if u can. And I know the EA lovers will do just that. Now back to playing a REAL GAME. NBA 2K9. YESSIIIIIIIIIIRRRRRRRR!!!!!

All Game Companies are more concerned with money over everything else... Because as long as they have a base of consumers who feel the game is adequate that means they have a person who will go out and buy it next year with the hopes that what they felt lacked the previous year is fixed... just look at the 2k Basketball forum and see how many people are dissapointed in this years effort and while this apart of wearing the crown (by default in Madden's case or by performance in 2ks Bball's case)
people will always expect more then what is delivered.

[BigBlue]

There's a funny MAC commercial on TV that shows the guy representing a PC with piles of money. He separates the piles of money (almost 95% of it on advertising and 5% to fixing VISTA issues). Then finally he just moves all of the money to advertising.

This is what EA is doing with Madden! Instead of fixing the games issues, they're marketing the heck out of the game and selling a broken product! I'm officially done with EA.

BigBlue