NCAA Football 10 - Current Plans

[sportzbro]

Quote: Originally Posted by Russell_Kiniry_EA

I hate to call you out... but to me saying something is broke, looking for the reason, and fixing it; does not equal an excuse. Now if you disagree with that logic then fine I can accept that. Again I apologize for picking out your post (I've just seen this same type of response to many times)... I totally get the frustration, I'm pretty angry about the situations myself. We are not rolling over and just letting the problems stay, we are working on solutions and fixes right now.

Russ, I agree that what you're doing is not an excuse, but the fact remains that something major has gone wrong the past couple of years with the game... And now this year we have bogus sliders & broken rosters that we still aren't sure about.. What is going on in Tiburon studios?..

I realize that you & Adam aren't the ones we should point the finger at all the time, but you are the only ones that post at OS.. its hard to accept that basic elements get essentially overlooked year after year, yet not have the actual people responsible come in here and explain.

I dont know, maybe more departments from the dev. team should create OS accounts so that you don't get this type of heat day in and day out.. It would probably improve the game as well.

As you said, I'm as frustrated with this as you are..

[jfsolo]

Quote: Originally Posted by Russell_Kiniry_EA

I hate to call you out... but to me saying something is broke, looking for the reason, and fixing it; does not equal an excuse. Now if you disagree with that logic then fine I can accept that. Again I apologize for picking out your post (I've just seen this same type of response to many times)... I totally get the frustration, I'm pretty angry about the situations myself. We are not rolling over and just letting the problems stay, we are working on solutions and fixes right now.

If someone had wrote this into a movie script it would be considered too cliched. The things that ended up being bugged are the are the exact hot button areas that would make people go insane.

The Rosters, the default pass rush pressure, and the sliders. If pursuit angles would have glitched out too, it would have been the perfect storm.

You're always going to have the Usual Suspects waiting to take their shots(many have posted in this thread already), but with the unbelievable bad luck(I'm giving the benefit of the doubt) of it being these specific issues, even those who are usually more diplomatic are lining up to fire off some salvos, letting the rhetoric fly.

[bigjake62505]

Until there are rules and regulations put on all software releases this will not change. Its not just EA, almost all the new software that is released is glitchy or broken at release. Its is very disapointing and the sad fact is they know all the issues at release. The "patch" is supposed to be used to fix MINOR issues, but most companies use it as a crutch. There are laws for most other consumer products that protect you from buying broken/incomplete goods. I have also seen the "video games don't kill people" arguement, but video game/software industry is a multi billion dollar a year industry and I think no matter what you are selling you should be held accountable. It wouldn't be so bad but say you go to gamestop or walmart or target if you open the game and play it, you have to return it for the same game. I know you can sell it on ebay or whatever but you still do not get your money back. I guess my point is no one stands by their product. Most will read this and not agree and that is fine. Here are the facts

The game will ship broken

EA knows the game is flawed

There will be no notice on the game stating that it is incomplete or broken

There will be no refund or exchanges for another game at the same price

There is no guarantee that all the issues in the game can be fixed with a patch

3 years of development on the ps3/360 should be plenty of time to get basic gameplay issues resolved.

[rudyjuly2]

Quote: Originally Posted by bigjake62505

Until there are rules and regulations put on all software releases this will not change. Its not just EA, almost all the new software that is released is glitchy or broken at release. Its is very disapointing and the sad fact is they know all the issues at release. The "patch" is supposed to be used to fix MINOR issues, but most companies use it as a crutch.

I agree. The patch era has certainly hurt the quality of games at release. It's a double edged sword since I like the fact they can fix problems but it turns the consumer into a free beta tester which can be really frustrating.

[da ThRONe]

Quote: Originally Posted by Russell_Kiniry_EA

I hate to call you out... but to me saying something is broke, looking for the reason, and fixing it; does not equal an excuse. Now if you disagree with that logic then fine I can accept that. Again I apologize for picking out your post (I've just seen this same type of response to many times)... I totally get the frustration, I'm pretty angry about the situations myself. We are not rolling over and just letting the problems stay, we are working on solutions and fixes right now.

Im not trying single to you and/or Adam out(it appear that you guys are the only ones that care). I was talking about the whole dev team but especially the final decision maker over NCAA. I think certain things should take priority over others. Its great that Team Builder work but it shouldnt take priority over the rosters. And thats what I mean by excuses the is no reason for the pass rush to be almost as ineffective as 09 but Im sure theres no glicthes in Season Showdown.

[Bigdmo9999]

Quote: Originally Posted by da ThRONe

Im not trying single to you and/or Adam out(it appear that you guys are the only ones that care). I was talking about the whole dev team but especially the final decision maker over NCAA. I think certain things should take priority over others. Its great that Team Builder work but it shouldnt take priority over the rosters. And thats what I mean by excuses the is no reason for the pass rush to be almost as ineffective as 09 but Im sure theres no glicthes in Season Showdown.

Season Showdown has a sponsor and that is why it has gotten the most attention, its as simple as that. Its sad to see but it is a theme in modern games and with the economy the way it is I'm sure EA would love to make any money they can. Hell last year Coke sponsored audibles. I thought that was the stupidest thing ever until this year.

[rudyjuly2]

Quote: Originally Posted by da ThRONe

Im not trying single to you and/or Adam out(it appear that you guys are the only ones that care). I was talking about the whole dev team but especially the final decision maker over NCAA.

Da Throne, there are quite a few EA devs on the boards just lurking. They cannot create an OS account and post on OS as EA reps unless they are cleared by the marketing department. Adam and Russ are the only ones allowed to talk here at the moment. Everyone else must stay silent whether they want to or not.

[hcopenhagenh]

Quote: Originally Posted by bigjake62505

Until there are rules and regulations put on all software releases this will not change. Its not just EA, almost all the new software that is released is glitchy or broken at release. Its is very disapointing and the sad fact is they know all the issues at release. The "patch" is supposed to be used to fix MINOR issues, but most companies use it as a crutch. There are laws for most other consumer products that protect you from buying broken/incomplete goods. I have also seen the "video games don't kill people" arguement, but video game/software industry is a multi billion dollar a year industry and I think no matter what you are selling you should be held accountable. It wouldn't be so bad but say you go to gamestop or walmart or target if you open the game and play it, you have to return it for the same game. I know you can sell it on ebay or whatever but you still do not get your money back. I guess my point is no one stands by their product. Most will read this and not agree and that is fine. Here are the facts The game will ship broken EA knows the game is flawed There will be no notice on the game stating that it is incomplete or broken There will be no refund or exchanges for another game at the same price There is no guarantee that all the issues in the game can be fixed with a patch 3 years of development on the ps3/360 should be plenty of time to get basic gameplay issues resolved.

Excellent Post. Couldn't have said it any better. My entire problem with EA right now is that this will be two years in a row they have shipped broken games. There should be some sort of law monitoring this behavior because it is unethical.