NHL 2K10 Gameplay Video (2KHockey.net)

[kennyacid]

i doubt thats how the speed is going to be because thats just ridiculously fast.

[RealmK]

I too know now why there's no demo. 2k9 v2. While I see some improved AI behavor with cycling and dumps I'm certainly not seeing much else that would confirm the "AI rewritten from the ground up" remarks and blogs and what not. If WWTC wanted to show the game off in a sim setting you'd think he would have actually used some sim sliders or a higher difficulty level.

Pros
Some nice cycling and dumps by the AI at various points
Good puck physics
Crowd sounds noisy
Some nice collision animations
stick lifts
Over all better positioning/less CPU charging the puck carrier
Cons
Passing is still arcady fast
Tape to tape passing, seriously its worse than NHL 08-09
Defensive CPU AI same ol back track collapsing to the net. No neutral zone pressure
Comentary is still awful
While theres some nice collision animations the actual collision detection is still terrible

The gameplay itself doesn't look all that improved, the AI was very disappointing. Certainly a far cry from WWTC's AI dev blog. Sliders may make it play a better game but theres no way I'm buying without renting first now.

[onlybygrace]

Quote: Originally Posted by RealmK

I too know now why there's no demo. 2k9 v2. While I see some improved AI behavor with cycling and dumps I'm certainly not seeing much else that would confirm the "AI rewritten from the ground up" remarks and blogs and what not. If WWTC wanted to show the game off in a sim setting you'd think he would have actually used some sim sliders or a higher difficulty level. Pros Some nice cycling and dumps by the AI at various points Good puck physics Crowd sounds noisy Some nice collision animations stick lifts Over all better positioning/less CPU charging the puck carrier Cons Passing is still arcady fast Tape to tape passing, seriously its worse than NHL 08-09 Defensive CPU AI same ol back track collapsing to the net. No neutral zone pressure Comentary is still awful While theres some nice collision animations the actual collision detection is still terrible The gameplay itself doesn't look all that improved, the AI was very disappointing. Certainly a far cry from WWTC's AI dev blog. Sliders may make it play a better game but theres no way I'm buying without renting first now.

I finally watched the vid...cause it took so damn long to load. Why is it everything with 2k has been a pain in the *** this year...even the good things?

Ok...onto the gameplay.

At this point I am honestly going to go ahead and say that I have nothing really incredibly negative to say nor do I have anything positive to say. I'm going to reserve judgement for the rest of the vids we are supposed to get...and I'll probably even watch the one we just saw again because I saw it in little bits and pieces.

One thing I will go ahead and say is that whoever was playing that game was not probably doing the game justice...seemingly passing up scoring chances for the sake of being realistic.

Oh...no boardplay. Hopefully there is a slider for that.

The positive I can say is that I think with the right sliders this will be a worthy game...just not liking whats being shown to me.

[RealmK]

Quote: Originally Posted by onlybygrace

The positive I can say is that I think with the right sliders this will be a worthy game...just not liking whats being shown to me.

Most likely I agree. Its just not the next coming the blogs tried to make it out to be.

[onlybygrace]

Quote: Originally Posted by RealmK

Most likely I agree. Its just not the next coming the blogs tried to make it out to be.

It would have helped to have been able to see instant replays to see some of the little things we may have been missing. It's really entertaining to me to see people chew on EA's puck physics then turn around and praise 2k when I saw only a few dynamic situations with the puck during that period.

Oh well...need a bigger sample size, yet.

[phillyfan23]

Quote: Originally Posted by RealmK

I too know now why there's no demo. 2k9 v2. While I see some improved AI behavor with cycling and dumps I'm certainly not seeing much else that would confirm the "AI rewritten from the ground up" remarks and blogs and what not. If WWTC wanted to show the game off in a sim setting you'd think he would have actually used some sim sliders or a higher difficulty level. Pros Some nice cycling and dumps by the AI at various points Good puck physics Crowd sounds noisy Some nice collision animations stick lifts Over all better positioning/less CPU charging the puck carrier Cons Passing is still arcady fast Tape to tape passing, seriously its worse than NHL 08-09 Defensive CPU AI same ol back track collapsing to the net. No neutral zone pressure Comentary is still awful While theres some nice collision animations the actual collision detection is still terrible The gameplay itself doesn't look all that improved, the AI was very disappointing. Certainly a far cry from WWTC's AI dev blog. Sliders may make it play a better game but theres no way I'm buying without renting first now.

the cpu pass speed and pass accuracy is way too accurate but 2k's sliders have the ability to fix that. I messed around with this with 2k9 and it worked great where my pass percentage and the cpu's were on similar levels and the cpu misfired on passes missing the target. I have no worries here for 2k, the pass acc slider for the cpu works.

Unless they changed slider mechanics for 2k10, it should work again this year.

EA is a big mystery, there is no history of pass accuracy aslider for the cpu so it could work or not. My gut feeling is that it won't work as well as 2k's slider. Hope I'm wrong about that.

The big worry about 2k is the back-pedalling of the defenders like you mentioned, but again, i'm hoping sliders can fix this, although my gut feeling says no since this has been a problem since the old 2k days.

You don't think the CPU AI got a big upgrade? i saw things in that video that would have never happened last year in 2k9. The way the cpu cycles is really good , dare i say could be slightly better than EA's. ( sometime the nhl 10 demo, the cpu plays keep away on 5 on 5. the forward to d-man, d-man to forward like 5 times in a row.Again without slider tinkering , you can't make the final judgement since this is related to the cpu pass accuracy slider.

I think the 2 games will be a lot closer this year. it would be a surprise, a pleasant surprise if i do end up going back to 2k this year. last one i played to death was 2k6....from 2007 to 2009 it's been EA for me. let's see who wins this year for me....can't wait till the 15th.

[savoie2006]

Quote: Originally Posted by RealmK

Most likely I agree. Its just not the next coming the blogs tried to make it out to be.

The video itself may not be, but honestly I feel the demo would have left people even more disheartened. I think much like NHL10, sliders will remedy alot of the gameplay issues people are seeing. I think compared to most any 2K Hockey game, next gen, this is the next coming.

[RealmK]

Quote: Originally Posted by savoie2006

The video itself may not be, but honestly I feel the demo would have left people even more disheartened. I think much like NHL10, sliders will remedy alot of the gameplay issues people are seeing. I think compared to most any 2K Hockey game, next gen, this is the next coming.

For sure man, I'm sure sliders will most definately help thats not even a question. But if the basic defensive AI routines are still pretty much retreat to their own defensive zone and collapse once a turn over occurs, sliders won't fix that. I'm still puzzled that making videos to show the game to the hardcore guys, he wouldn't make the slider tweaks necessary to actually showcase the game in the best possible aspect that would make us want to go out and get it day one. Though considering the videos are for 2khockey.net maybe he doesn't need to as the fanboys will buy it regardless anyway.