Weak Madden Sales Signaling Trouble for Game Industry

[REDRZA]

Quote: Originally Posted by mrprice33

Lies. Every other videogame past or present has been perfect right out of the box without sliders, patches, or house rules. Those are madden-specific problems. Sent from my HTC EVO 4G using Tapatalk.

Yeah, and before consoles that were hooked up to the internet, and before sliders were ever put into games, developers were somehow more responsible for balancing game play without sliders, and were more responsible for quality control before they could patch games.

Stop giving inadequacy built in excuses, its getting old.

[mrprice33]

They've been developing this game on ps3 and 360 for 10 years? That's news to me.

Again, if you don't think this game has made significant leaps forward in realism since the 08/09 incarnations of the game, you're living in a fantasy land and are pretty much not worth debating with.

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[mrprice33]

Quote: Originally Posted by REDRZA

Yeah, and before consoles that were hooked up to the internet, and before sliders were ever put into games, developers were somehow more responsible for balancing game play without sliders, and were more responsible for quality control before they could patch games. Stop giving inadequacy built in excuses, its getting old.

Lol at games being balanced properly in the Genesis and ps1 era before sliders and patches. Now I've heard it all.



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[REDRZA]

Quote: Originally Posted by mrprice33

They've been developing this game on ps3 and 360 for 10 years? That's news to me. Again, if you don't think this game has made significant leaps forward in realism since the 08/09 incarnations of the game, you're living in a fantasy land and are pretty much not worth debating with. Sent from my HTC EVO 4G using Tapatalk.

No, but they have been using the same code, you know, the stuff that drives the game under the hood? Suction blocking, 2 player scripted animations, DB's not actually covering a WR but instead mirroring the route(in man coverage), nano blitzes etc, etc, etc. All those things were problems on PS2, and hold true today. If you think this game was ever re built ground up, then i don't know what to tell you.

If you call poor pass coverage across the board, over the top broken tackles, high scoring affairs a step toward realism, then you are not worth debating with either.

[REDRZA]

Quote: Originally Posted by mrprice33

Lol at games being balanced properly in the Genesis and ps1 era before sliders and patches. Now I've heard it all. Sent from my HTC EVO 4G using Tapatalk.

Never said they were perfect, but the developers were far more responsible with balancing and quality control. Now, they can ship the game anyway they want and patch it later. Isn't the internet great? Ship buggy software with no regard, and just patch it a month or two later.

[mrprice33]

Quote: Originally Posted by REDRZA

No, but they have been using the same code, you know, the stuff that drives the game under the hood? Suction blocking, 2 player scripted animations, DB's not actually covering a WR but instead mirroring the route(in man coverage), nano blitzes etc, etc, etc. All those things were problems on PS2, and hold true today. If you think this game was ever re built ground up, then i don't know what to tell you. If you call poor pass coverage across the board, over the top broken tackles, high scoring affairs a step toward realism, then you are not worth debating with either.

Let's just go down the list, shall we?

Suction blocking and 2 man animations are a product of using motion captured animations in the game. Many other games deemed superior (nba 2k, for one) also have these problems. Until these games go full physics, which only really became plausible a couple of years ago, these issues will remain. That being said, suction blocking is far more rare in 10/11 than in any other version of the game.

Dbs mirroring routes didn't happen until 09 at the earliest. It was not a problem in the last gen versions of the game.

Nano blitzes are a problem that have plagued pretty much every football game ever made. Offensive line ai is probably one of the most difficult things to program in all of gaming, especially when you give the user the ability to hot route defenders and move guys around to trick the ai.

And using sliders takes care of the issues defensively (the same way they fixed 2k5s awful pass coverage).


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[mrprice33]

Quote: Originally Posted by REDRZA

Never said they were perfect, but the developers were far more responsible with balancing and quality control. Now, they can ship the game anyway they want and patch it later. Isn't the internet great? Ship buggy software with no regard, and just patch it a month or two later.

Really? Is that why I still remember double flags from madden 97 or hb toss from the first quarterback club or one timers from the nhl series or the behind the back crossover from 2k2 or changing your stance to open and holding up+ left to hit homeruns in triple play gold for Genesis or bo Jackson in tecmo bowl or numerous other broken situations in sports games dating back to basically the atari 2600? Or the game glitches that forced people to mail copies of games back to the publishers in order to get new and corrected software?

Lionizing past generations for their quality and balance of games is laughable.


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Quote: Originally Posted by mrprice33

Really? Is that why I still remember double flags from madden 97 or hb toss from the first quarterback club or one timers from the nhl series or the behind the back crossover from 2k2 or changing your stance to open and holding up+ left to hit homeruns in triple play gold for Genesis or bo Jackson in tecmo bowl or numerous other broken situations in sports games dating back to basically the atari 2600? Or the game glitches that forced people to mail copies of games back to the publishers in order to get new and corrected software? Lionizing past generations for their quality and balance of games is laughable. Sent from my HTC EVO 4G using Tapatalk.

Please man. Patching cycles are built into development schedules now. SO yes, he has a point. Developers most def do take advantage of the ability to patch when developing games and most def use the paying community to final test their product while already reaping financial rewards from the product. Spare us all the deep thinker bit as well, for someone who is trying to be such an intellectually honest poster you sure "poo poo" all over others with differing opinions from your own.


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