Madden NFL 11 Title Update #5 Available Now, Post Impressions Here (PS3, 360)

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Quote: Originally Posted by eye_opener

I have mixed feelings about the update. It has increased the challenge to a degree in some respects but at the expense of some realism in others...... .................The update islargely irrelevant................

Which is why I haven't connected to XBL on Madden since December and still play on Update #4. This update provides no benefit to someone like myself who has a working slider set.

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Quote: Originally Posted by roadman

I'm not sure if you are using sliders or not, but I was getting penalized for playing press coverage a lot with the Packers against the Bears. Several times, Hester or Knox would blow by Woodsen and Williams. I stopped playing press coverage and started seeing better results. I played several games against the same two teams and Hester/Knox were breaking free of press coverage. So, just like IRL, to me, it has a reward/risk to it. Otherwise, I agree with the rest of your post. I'm very pleased post title update, tightened up the pursuit angles and the secondary.

Not my press coverage, the CPU's. I rarely do press unless I'm bringing heat on the QB in short yardage pass plays for the risks you mention. Keep in mind most of the benefits for AI with the update are almost EXCLUSIVELY for CPU AI. This is also why it was mentioned the update was modeled for online play (a tactic the dev's have obviously decided to push HARD. In fact I think they just WANT online to be the most dominant form of the game because of DLC revenue, and the devs just seem to like the idea more. Which, while the idea is enticing the market is telling them otherwise. Of course, the devs know what's better for the franchise than the stupid mobs who shell out hard earned cash for an unspectacular game that never fails to disappoint this year). The disparity between the update's effect is differentiating between Human V Human and Human v CPU. If you're playing a person then both teams see the effects of the update. If you're playing the CPU offline the update's effect for your team is not even noticable except for PR/KR lanes and outside CB coverage...and the CB outside coverage is still iffy for the human against the CPU.

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Quote: Originally Posted by eye_opener

Not my press coverage, the CPU's. I rarely do press unless I'm bringing heat on the QB in short yardage pass plays for the risks you mention. Keep in mind most of the benefits for AI with the update are almost EXCLUSIVELY for CPU AI. This is also why it was mentioned the update was modeled for online play (a tactic the dev's have obviously decided to push HARD. In fact I think they just WANT online to be the most dominant form of the game because of DLC revenue, and the devs just seem to like the idea more. Which, while the idea is enticing the market is telling them otherwise. Of course, the devs know what's better for the franchise than the stupid mobs who shell out hard earned cash for an unspectacular game that never fails to disappoint this year). The disparity between the update's effect is differentiating between Human V Human and Human v CPU. If you're playing a person then both teams see the effects of the update. If you're playing the CPU offline the update's effect for your team is not even noticable except for PR/KR lanes and outside CB coverage...and the CB outside coverage is still iffy for the human against the CPU.

Ok, gotcha, I understand what you are saying.

I'll need to take a harder look at that. Anytime I see Jennings lined up on the outside with a fly route or for that matter Jones and Nelson with press coverage and not a safety over the top, I'll lob it to them and most of the time they come down with the catch.

I'll keep more of an eye out for that, though.

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This is a much more common occurrence for the outside WR/CB match-up as opposed to a 3rd or 4th wr/cb match-up (this is regardless of the rating. There is absolutely no justification for a back-up cb, because the starter is injured, with a press below 75 standing 5'10" weighing less than 200 lbs with a str rating not even worth mentioning being able to press CJJ @ 6'5" 225+lbs with a release rating of 95 and str 78. But i've had 5'10 sub 80 release WR, percy harvin, shake off a big strong press based dbs subbed in, chris gamble, whose other stats put them in position to have a ratings advantage. It seems the WR/CB spot on the depth chart/formation position determines a lot about how the ratings actually match-up, which is deplorable gimmick to make the game SEEM realistic, while eschewing all notions of realism). A successful press in that situation would be 1-2 seconds and more often than not a single step delay is likely. However, I have seen this situation play out where he's jammed for the whole play while I dance in the pocket for 5+ seconds eventually having to drop it off to the check-down man. Are you kidding me? If you can show me this EVER happening in the NFL on a PASS play I'll gladly eat my words (remember there are a lot of stipulations for this scenario. Charles woodson did this in the game, but I didn't begrudge the play because C Wood can do that, and often does IRL though he still only jams 2-3 seconds unless he takes the receiver off of his feet)

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Did someone mention pass coverage? Can it get any worse than what's in Madden 11? Looking at replays just makes me mad as hell. I know I shouldn't look at replays, but I get curious how Asomugha or Revis let some so-so WR get a catch. I'm just checking it out, and what I often see is absolutely ridiculous.