Phil Frazier is Leaving EA Sports Tiburon

[Illustrator76]

Man, I am really getting sick of all of these "agenda" accusations. Can people just get off of telling others what their motives are? No one really knows why someone is posting something on here unless they flat out say: "I am posting X, Y and Z because I have an agenda". It really just seems like a lame way to discredit what others are saying because they bested you in the "debate".

This goes for both sides of the discussion.

[BrianFifaFan]

Quote: Originally Posted by K_GUN

for the guys that are (annually) disappointed with madden....why not update your 2k5 rosters and go about your business?...don't have an xbox?...go buy one...instead of spending $ on madden. dropping in here every summer and pointing out what everyone who's ever played a football videogame already knows (7 times over ) seems pointless....doesn't it?

I agree with the first part of your post, to a point, but the second point is really invalid. I, like you, was a big 2k5 head. And while Chris Berman and his bad lip sync was cool circa 2004, it's played out. So if I want to play an update NFL football gaming experience, it's Madden or nothing. And that brings up the larger topic of this message board in general. One could really make the argument that it's all a waste of time. My thoughts are this: if all this board is for is to rain undying praise and loyalty on the newest offering of the Madden gods, it might as well not exist. It's just part of the PR machine.

I've read countless posts of legimate ideas that could improve Madden into being a game that will make 2k a moot point, forever. Most of them are gameplay related, an area where Madden ends up falling way short of even the modern sports-gaming comp, let alone the ancient 2k football games. I've had my "Captain Obvious" moments, but have personally done my best to always offer up ideas that other games have used to become sports gaming leaders. Anyone who's known me for a minute knows I get my kicks off Fifa. Guess what? It's the best selling sports game in the world now. So my using it for examples of what makes a winning game are pretty valid, IMO. I can't ever say any of them where my ideas. But I felt it helpful to share them with the developers of one of my all-time favorite games in Madden.

In closing, I'd just like to say that it's the malcontents and concerned citizens of the gaming world who drive change. Guys like BeZo and LBzRule got the invite by being concerned gamers, not cheerleaders. AJ was a person who said this game needs fixed, he was not a gushing fan. His ideas got him a job. So while you have an opinion that people should "give it a rest, already," it's the ones who speak out, who offer ideas and care enough to spend their own money and time on websites dedicated to Madden and other games who get things changed. I personally have never cared for "trolls," but really respect the guys who use this board as a voice. It might seem old year after year, but the issues still remain, year after year.... And if we ran out of things to opine about, this board would cease to have any useful reason for being.... "Yay, Madden, Madden is king, I love Madden...." gets real old, real fast, doesn't it? Peace....

[roadman]

Quote: Originally Posted by Only1LT

Agreed, but I think there is far, far less of the attacking posts than most people perceive. And if those that more on the pro side of Madden are honest with themselves, and look at things objectively, they'd probably see that they often lump all criticism into the personal attacking, agenda post pot.

Nah, LT I need to disagree with you personally on this one. I don't see constructive posting as a personal attack/agenda post.

[Only1LT]

Quote: Originally Posted by bkrich83

I disagree. I am not pro Madden or the opposite. But too many people use the "I only want to improve the game" shield when it's quite obvious what their motives are.

You may or may not be right, but I think that it is a risky proposition to think that you can tell someone's "obvious" intent over an internet post all the time. Especially when we don't know most of the people on here personally.

Just saying.

[Scottdau]

At the end of the day no one is forcing you to buy the game. You want to complain about the game fine, but I will say this. If you were force to buy the game every year then I would you have the right to bitch. If you are force to buy it then yes you should have it the way you want it, but I am pretty sure you are not force to buy it. So in my opinion it is crying over spilled milk. There are some on this site that have constrcuctive critism and some that have agendas. Sometimes it is hard to tell the difference. Also if something seems easy for Madden to do I am pretty sure they would. Any way I am done. I just want to say thanks to Phil and Ian for their hard work on this game.

[bkrich83]

Quote: Originally Posted by Only1LT

You may or may not be right, but I think that it is a risky proposition to think that you can tell someone's "obvious" intent over an internet post all the time. Especially when we don't know most of the people on here personally. Just saying.

Over a period of time it becomes quite obvious. I can see why you want to give them a pass.

It's just become so hard to filter out the white noise.

[Only1LT]

Quote: Originally Posted by roadman

Nah, LT I need to disagree with you personally on this one. I don't see constructive posting as a personal attack/agenda post.

That's you personally, but I think some do. Just my experience.

I've been lumped into the attacking camp many times, and I have never said a single thing about Ian and Co personally, ever.

[Only1LT]

Quote: Originally Posted by bkrich83

Over a period of time it becomes quite obvious. I can see why you want to give them a pass. It's just become so hard to filter out the white noise.

I don't know if you are being passive aggressive in your statements such as the one I have bolded. You come off to me as someone who has a personal disdain for other posters and an air of superiority. Hard to tell, because it is written and subject to interpretation, but if you have a problem with me, I'd rather you just say it and I will just not respond to you further.