Madden NFL 12 Title Update #2 Details Coming Soon

[roadman]

Quote: Originally Posted by bingo911

Yeah, except the NBA2K team actually puts 100% effort into their games. Don't get me wrong, I love madden, and 2K. But, fact of the matter is- 2K sports clearly puts way more time into everything, than the madden team does. 2K's commentary sounds like commentary of 2011-12, while madden still feels like its stuck in the 90's. I hope they can fix the announcing via patch, if not.. I wont be surprised. There were so many things that they could have fixed last year, but just blew it off in the end. So, I wont be shocked if they dont fix it. Maddens have been a disapointment for years. I buy them every year hoping that they get better.. but they just dont. (And before someone jumps on me and says "just dont buy it, duh!"- I'm not gonna not buy the only pro football game. I love football too much to just give up on madden.)

Would hope no one would jump on you for a opinion.

Anyway, they announced back in June that they have procured Fifa's sound technology, but didn't have time to put it in for 12. So, I'm assuming that it will be implemented in 13. So, as far back as early June, we knew commentary wouldn't be improved from 11.

[TreyIM2]

Quote: Originally Posted by TreyIM2

I dunno if this has been brought up in a forum but there seems to be some weirdness with the controls on the PS3. Sometimes when trying to run after getting the ball, my player will either spin or hurdle and it seems to happen if I put too much pressure on the right joystick causing me to press the L3 button. This shouldn't happen. Not to mention sometimes, when on D, my player will switch to another player when doing the same thing. At first I thought it was just the controller I was using but nope. Frustrating cuz plays get jacked up because of this. I think this happened last year, too. There is also a weird subbing issue that has seemed to returned, usually if I try to sub out a tired running back with my Jets. I sub the player in the same formation I call a play in and somehow, he doesn't sub in/out. Global subs would be nice, too, to add. Other than that, they need to make the CPU defense much smarter. I play on All Pro and in my last game in my franchise, I kept running virtually the same play action rollout play if not in a row, but in another formation variation of that same exact play and the CPU couldn't eff with it. The best the CPU could come up with was to have my TE, who was RACKING UP yards and TDs as a result of my running the same type play over and over, end up getting his arm broken so he couldn't play anymore. REALLY, EA??? REALLY??? PISSED me off. Non-sense and I could go on and on about legacy issues including one since the PS1 days (CPU calling timeout around the 1 min mark in the 4th). Bring on the next gen and EA BETTER NOT have ANY excuses for NOT having this game up to snuff after it's second iteration on the next gen consoles.

I meant left joystick. Heh

[malky]

Commentary needs to be patched period, and it has nothing to do with the excuses EA gives for improvement for next year and blah blah blah, they pretty much have made commentary worst than madden 11, if that's not hard enough to believe, so all I'm asking is they fix what they broke.

[TreyIM2]

Quote: Originally Posted by bingo911

Yeah, except the NBA2K team actually puts 100% effort into their games. Don't get me wrong, I love madden, and 2K. But, fact of the matter is- 2K sports clearly puts way more time into everything, than the madden team does. 2K's commentary sounds like commentary of 2011-12, while madden still feels like its stuck in the 90's. I hope they can fix the announcing via patch, if not.. I wont be surprised. There were so many things that they could have fixed last year, but just blew it off in the end. So, I wont be shocked if they dont fix it. Maddens have been a disapointment for years. I buy them every year hoping that they get better.. but they just dont. (And before someone jumps on me and says "just dont buy it, duh!"- I'm not gonna not buy the only pro football game. I love football too much to just give up on madden.)

While I can agree with some of that effort statement, I actually think it's more about the game's engine. It's antiquated and limited. Ever notice how when EA usually introduces something new in Madden, something else either gets removed or takes a hit? If it's not a feature, it's graphics, font size or something. It's all about memory and coding allowed by it. It's like EA has to re-arrange things and do a bit of trickery within the engine if they want to accommodate whatever else new they want to do to the game.Disc space can factor in, too.

Eh, whatever case, I think it's a wrap for this gen when it comes to Madden. I still believe they can push the game with Blu-ray disc size but that won't happen because one side of the gaming war wouldn't be too happy with that...

[xElway7x]

Quote: Originally Posted by Rouchicus

As someone who likes to constantly tweak equipment and ratings now, I'm mostly hoping for a fix for losing player roles when editing players. That'd go a long way for me. Also, the completion % of QBs in franchise. I think those are my main two gripes right now.

Agreed. Having the players look like their real life counterparts goes a long way in how the game looks and feels for me. I hate having to live with a wrong face mask or helmet type so my LB doesn't lose his pass rusher or future star role. I want that fixed, and the super LBs, and I want the game to remember what formation I was in instead of me having to scroll the page and finding what I wanted to run again.

[bingo911]

Quote: Originally Posted by TreyIM2

While I can agree with some of that effort statement, I actually think it's more about the game's engine. It's antiquated and limited. Ever notice how when EA usually introduces something new in Madden, something else either gets removed or takes a hit? If it's not a feature, it's graphics, font size or something. It's all about memory and coding allowed by it. It's like EA has to re-arrange things and do a bit of trickery within the engine if they want to accommodate whatever else new they want to do to the game.Disc space can factor in, too. Eh, whatever case, I think it's a wrap for this gen when it comes to Madden. I still believe they can push the game with Blu-ray disc size but that won't happen because one side of the gaming war wouldn't be too happy with that...

I really think its just effort. EA sports has so many more resources than 2K does, im willing to bet they have a much larger staff than 2k does as well. NBA 2K11 has way more game modes, cyberfaces, uniforms, teams, areanas, headcoaches, and is miles better in gameplay.. yet, they manage to make everything top of the line. while EA, skimps on everything. Doesn't make sense to me.

[roadman]

Quote: Originally Posted by bingo911

I really think its just effort. EA sports has so many more resources than 2K does, im willing to bet they have a much larger staff than 2k does as well. NBA 2K11 has way more game modes, cyberfaces, uniforms, teams, areanas, headcoaches, and is miles better in gameplay.. yet, they manage to make everything top of the line. while EA, skimps on everything. Doesn't make sense to me.

Nah, I disagree with effort. The developers work long hours, so, it's not a effort issue. Plus, for 13 and on, they are doubling the game play team for both football games. That has to be good news for games.

I think it has do deal more with the suits and marketing vs the developers. To me, EA has multiple layers and the more layers a company has, the more red tape to sift through.

2K is a smaller company and can get things done at a quicker pace and they don't need to jump through as many hoops as EA has to.

That's my take.

[bingo911]

Quote: Originally Posted by roadman

Nah, I disagree with effort. The developers work long hours, so, it's not a effort issue. Plus, for 13 and on, they are doubling the game play team for both football games. That has to be good news for games. I think it has do deal more with the suits and marketing vs the developers. To me, EA has multiple layers and the more layers a company has, the more red tape to sift through. 2K is a smaller company and can get things done at a quicker pace and they don't need to jump through as many hoops as EA has to. That's my take.

Oh yeah, i definitely agree about the suits part but.. saying that a company with less resources, less staff, and that they can get things done quicker? Thats a bit backwards i think. A company with millions of dollars of resources, and a huge staff should be able to destroy anything a small company can put together. I just hope that EA's contract with the NFL runs out soon. The lack of competition has obviously made EA a bit lazy. If there was a NFL 2K12 game out there right now, EA would definitely have made a better game. Who knows, they might have even produced a better game than than 2K, since 2K literally put the NBA Live franchise out of business- it could be payback. lol