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DustinT · 12-29-2011, 02:20 PM

While PES is busy playing catch up, this would be a good time for FIFA to extend its dominance in the virtual football world. It really is amazing how much the game has improved, starting from FIFA 08. Steady slews of improvements year after year, and boom, all of a sudden the title has become the juggernaut that it is today.

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Steven547 · 12-29-2011, 02:30 PM

I haven't played a FIFA Console game in about 3 years. But if they follow the concept of FIFA Manager, they'll have a sure winner. When doing "manager" mode, I expect to be just "manager", not player as well. Defeats the purpose if you know how to "beat" the game by doing certain moves the CPU can't pick up. Or at least have that as an option to "manage only" or "manager - player".

FIFA Manager allows you to manage the team and build stadiums, etc. (This is PC only). Add the graphics from the FIFA console to FIFA Manager with ability to 'manage only' or be player-manager and you have a winner.

Benicio10 · 12-29-2011, 02:59 PM

FIFA is a great game - well constructed, well produced. My issue is that I can't tell the difference between star players and average players. In PES, you can, from the moment they touch the ball, if just FEELS different when you control them.

I often find myself looking at the display to see who the player is. I should be able to instantly tell by appearance and play style.

Steven547 · 12-29-2011, 05:13 PM

The lack of distinction (or separation) between All Star players and mediocre players, seems to be a characteristic of EA. Even in NHL12, the differences are very minimal at best. EA preaches "sim", yet the gameplay is far from it. This is another area they need to improve upon if they wish to widen the lead over PES. Otherwise, that gap will close real quick, especially if PES gets the rights to more players and teams.

And with people releasing option files WITH those extra teams, that gap is already shrinking.

milin · 12-29-2011, 05:57 PM

For me to like the game they just have to fix the AI and the lack of fouls against the CPU. They need the CPU to make human like mistakes and stop being too perfect when executing tackles so there can be more fouls.

peigone · 12-29-2011, 06:34 PM

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Originally Posted by Steven547


	The lack of distinction (or separation) between All Star players and mediocre players, seems to be a characteristic of EA. Even in NHL12, the differences are very minimal at best. EA preaches "sim", yet the gameplay is far from it.

To be fair, neither game this year is particularly sim. FIFA has the usual static and unimaginative programming shortcomings, including the one you described. And PES plays much too fast, and has serious programming flaws along with terrible scripting issues. It's pretty simple really: the two main reasons FIFA outsells PES is due to marketing and licences. And because Konami keeps shooting themselves in the foot. They had a chance to catch up this year after an improved PES 2011, but then screwed the pooch by releasing a shoddy and borderline broken PES 2012. It's been the same old story with both these franchises for years now.

spit_bubble · 12-29-2011, 07:54 PM

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	...They had a chance to catch up this year after an improved PES 2011, but then screwed the pooch by releasing a shoddy and borderline broken PES 2012...

This is just a flat out lie. You need to stop with that nonsense.

As for FIFA, if they put even just an ounce of effort towards the AI they would have the best sports game on the market. Until that time FIFA will always just seem like a showcase for their latest tech.

lhslancers · 12-29-2011, 08:03 PM

FIFA needs to work on the Impact Engine, try to get more fouls into the game w/o ruining the flow and improve the AI.

PES needs a new engine and an entirely new development team. They never figured out how to get the game onto the newest generation machines. The game is awful.

12-29-2011, 02:20 PM	#1
DustinT Big Dummy OVR: 40 Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: Spokane, Washington Posts: 1,937 Blog Entries: 39	How FIFA Can Extend Its Lead Over PES While PES is busy playing catch up, this would be a good time for FIFA to extend its dominance in the virtual football world. It really is amazing how much the game has improved, starting from FIFA 08. Steady slews of improvements year after year, and boom, all of a sudden the title has become the juggernaut that it is today. Read More - How FIFA Can Extend Its Lead Over PES Platform: PS3 / Xbox 360

12-29-2011, 02:30 PM	#2
Steven547 MVP OVR: 16 Join Date: May 2004	Re: How FIFA can extend its lead over PES I haven't played a FIFA Console game in about 3 years. But if they follow the concept of FIFA Manager, they'll have a sure winner. When doing "manager" mode, I expect to be just "manager", not player as well. Defeats the purpose if you know how to "beat" the game by doing certain moves the CPU can't pick up. Or at least have that as an option to "manage only" or "manager - player". FIFA Manager allows you to manage the team and build stadiums, etc. (This is PC only). Add the graphics from the FIFA console to FIFA Manager with ability to 'manage only' or be player-manager and you have a winner.

12-29-2011, 02:59 PM	#3
Benicio10 Pro OVR: 13 Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: Bay Area, CA	FIFA is a great game - well constructed, well produced. My issue is that I can't tell the difference between star players and average players. In PES, you can, from the moment they touch the ball, if just FEELS different when you control them. I often find myself looking at the display to see who the player is. I should be able to instantly tell by appearance and play style. aloncho11, ezio and KG like this.

12-29-2011, 05:13 PM	#4
Steven547 MVP OVR: 16 Join Date: May 2004	The lack of distinction (or separation) between All Star players and mediocre players, seems to be a characteristic of EA. Even in NHL12, the differences are very minimal at best. EA preaches "sim", yet the gameplay is far from it. This is another area they need to improve upon if they wish to widen the lead over PES. Otherwise, that gap will close real quick, especially if PES gets the rights to more players and teams. And with people releasing option files WITH those extra teams, that gap is already shrinking. aloncho11 likes this.

12-29-2011, 05:57 PM	#5
milin Rookie OVR: 2 Join Date: Jun 2003	For me to like the game they just have to fix the AI and the lack of fouls against the CPU. They need the CPU to make human like mistakes and stop being too perfect when executing tackles so there can be more fouls. ~LiverpoolRed~, aloncho11 and ezio like this.

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12-29-2011, 08:03 PM	#8
lhslancers Banned OVR: 18 Join Date: Nov 2011 Location: Durham NC Posts: 3,593	Re: How FIFA Can Extend Its Lead Over PES FIFA needs to work on the Impact Engine, try to get more fouls into the game w/o ruining the flow and improve the AI. PES needs a new engine and an entirely new development team. They never figured out how to get the game onto the newest generation machines. The game is awful.