NCAA Football 13 Video - No More Psychic DB's, 25 Different Pass Trajectory Zones

[LBzrule]

Quote: Originally Posted by chicagopax

Competition would change things, competition is the reason why products get to upper levels of quality, you can alter price and marketing only so much to cover a product, without competition there is no bar to strive past. Yes you can go out planning to improve your product with iteration but even then those steps are miniscule. If for example, there was a 2K football game out that excelled in presentation, chances are EA would start to ramp up their presentation, where as it took them several years to go from thirty people yelling in a garage to actually sound capturing stadiums. It is a possibility, maybe not with the current engine, but it's their job to make an engine in place that can do with what they desire, they own their own engine they have unlimited ability to alter coding and such, it's not as if they are using someone's elses engines that carry restrictions on editting. If they wanted to, it could be done. Not saying every single Tiburon employee doesn't want to, but its a minority or it would've been communicated to upper level and given the go ahead or denial. From a business standpoint, Tiburon has largely been resting on their laurels. 2K did that with their MLB franchise after taking out MVP with the license and look where it's at now in comparison to their NBA franchise which had competition up until last season?

My one question is when we look at the history of it, did they do it when they had the chance? And the answer is a flat out NO. When 2k4 came out the presentation was the best a football game had seen. When did Madden improve presentation? They did not touch it until what two years ago seven to eight years after 2k4. We are talking about almost a ten year gap. 2k's run blocking in 2k4 onward. When did EA touch run blocking? 2 years ago? The competition was GONE already. They could not touch the competition so they got rid of it to try to "catch up." And their catch ups are showing the limitations of the technology they are using. When it comes to capability it is a two way street, it is the people and it is the tech. The tech is limited, and it may be that they do not know how to manipulate the tech to do something different.

I do not believe for one minute that the game would be any better than it is right now with the big ticket items like animations and play system. These are not things that you can change over night and once you make a decision way back when, you gotta live with it until you are able to start over from scratch. EA made a decision with Madden 09 to go with short branch out animations. Now they cannot change that and the game will always suffer from that decision until they can start over. The OL will probably always be Man on Man pass blocking unless they can some how manipulate animations and develop sophisticated enough code to deal with combo pass blocking which was done six years ago now by the competition.

I just don't see it. When the competition was around they did nothing to match them on the big ticket items and now I'm supposed to believe that if they have competition they would do a better job on those things?

Anyways, I don't want to side track. I apologize for getting the thread off course.

[K0ZZ]

The issue is those games went out of the market, there was no competition to their bottom line. Did 2K4/5 having better presentation stop sales of Madden 6/7/8/9-so on?

Maybe a little for six but after that the impact got smaller and smaller, once defunct it really isn't a competitor any more.

I still think competition would've improved the product past what we have today.

Edit: It's only competition if it's affecting a companies sales. There is no reason to make improvements if it is previously defunct. But like you said it's best to end the conversation as to keep the topic from totally derailing. I'm also not saying 2K would put out a better FB game, I just wished what EA offered was much better than what it currently is.

[rufusone]

Quote: Originally Posted by chicagopax

They are capable, they aren't willing to. The FIFA games look fairly fluid (but I am not a soccer fan in real life so I could easily be wrong if thats considered stiff compared to how they actually play) It's been a disappointing generation for football and it bothers the hell out of me.

All I can say is there better get there crap together for the next generations of consoles coming in 2013 and give us a realistic football game of NCAA and Madden or there will be hell to pay

[TripleCrown9]

Quote: Originally Posted by rufusone

All I can say is there better get there crap together for the next generations of consoles coming in 2013 and give us a realistic football game of NCAA and Madden or there will be hell to pay

This is the stuff that annoys me. What are you gonna do? Not give them your $60? Write them a strongly worded letter?

[droopizzle34]

My curiousity is peeked.....features sound tight...will reserve judgement till July 10.

[Lodeus]

No more psychic DB's? Nice! I am now excited for this game.

Quote: Originally Posted by TripleCrown9

This is the stuff that annoys me. What are you gonna do? Not give them your $60? Write them a strongly worded letter?

I find it funny.

[lhscf1]

Didn't they claim they got rid of psychic DB's last year?

[LBzrule]

Quote: Originally Posted by rufusone

All I can say is there better get there crap together for the next generations of consoles coming in 2013 and give us a realistic football game of NCAA and Madden or there will be hell to pay

The only hell that is being paid is me sitting in my living room wondering why I paid 65 dollars. And unless another developer is able to secure part of the NFL license allowing them to make a game it'll be the same hell if I should so choose to purchase the game and if EA sticks with just a better version of the technology they have in place and make some of the same style of decisions of what to do with the tech.

The one thing I will say is that I will no longer put the blame on EA. I have to be smarter with my money. Bottom line. It's not like I don't know what I'm going to be getting before I purchase it. That's why this year has to be different for me as a consumer. New passing game, great, but if I value OL vs DL interaction and value combo pass blocking higher than any corrections they have made, I gotta be smart and say no matter how good it looks, I'm opting out. Otherwise the only person I can be mad with is me. I knew what I was walking into and did it anyway.