Madden NFL 13 Video Interview - EA Tiburon Breaks Down Some of the New Changes

[sgibs7]

Quote: Originally Posted by Illustrator76

I can agree with this. If EA wants to have the default penalties basically NEVER get called, then fine, but when you crank that slider up, you better darn well start seeing realistic penalties. Also, there need to be sliders included in Online Franchise for the people that want more realistic penalty calls there as well.

that seems fair - kinda like wanting to hold down cover up and never fumble. makes sense.

[Illustrator76]

Quote: Originally Posted by sgibs7

i spent the last hour trying to do it every play of a game - and when there is a user receiver involved i havent been able to successfully do it once. i see it being a big problem is there is no user involvement with the receiver. outside that i dont see it as a issue at all. i think user catching is a big appeal of the game for me. it makes it fun - doesnt mean im right or that your wrong. yes user catching is effective and yes you clearly get rewarded by user catching. biggest thing is trying to all mix together and not bash opposing views. prob best way to handle this is to play in a league where you make rules that state you cant click on (like you said). because once you get into the wild guys wil be clicking on and making plays. user skill is what separates a lot of peoples game.

I disagree with it not being an issue with user WR vs. user CB, simply because the way it is implemented isn't realistic. You shouldn't be able to "turbo" and move your WR or CB wherever you want to and knock the opposing player off his route. Jostling is one thing, but blatant PI is blatant PI. I do agree that it is WORSE when you do not user catch with your WR to combat the user controlling the CB. This comes down to the debate on how Madden should be built. I don't feel that you should get any kind of ratings bonus or boost by user catching. Ratings and only rating should determine this. It almost seems like EA needs to make 2 different settings in Madden that play differently, but I know that is virtually impossible.

[sgibs7]

Quote: Originally Posted by Illustrator76

I disagree with it not being an issue with user WR vs. user CB, simply because the way it is implemented isn't realistic. You shouldn't be able to "turbo" and move your WR or CB wherever you want to and knock the opposing player off his route. Jostling is one thing, but blatant PI is blatant PI. I do agree that it is WORSE when you do not user catch with your WR to combat the user controlling the CB. This comes down to the debate on how Madden should be built. I don't feel that you should get any kind of ratings bonus or boost by user catching. Ratings and only rating should determine this. It almost seems like EA needs to make 2 different settings in Madden that play differently, but I know that is virtually impossible.

i respect that totally.

just 2 ways of looking at the game. literally my favorite part about the game is clicking on and making user plays. thats what makes it fun for me. i throw the ball up in the air and go up and get it. its still football just my control on the game gives me a better chance at winning the game.

i really dont believe that its a issue though - i just dont see people running my receiver off course to the point i cant make a play on the ball

[roadman]

Quote: Originally Posted by sgibs7

i have always been in the camp of "do we REALLY want more PI calls?" thats just me thought - imagine playing a game where there was like 10 PIs? frustratingggg. i gotta admit guys i havent seen a problem with this at all all season. I have never had someone beat me to the ball or block me form getting it and thought oh man i lost the game because of this. at the same time i see what your talking about - i see whats happening and it is 100% something that needs to be fixed. good user control on both sides of the ball will help remedy some of the issues that are going on

I just want to reiterate that against the CPU, no PI calls is an issue, even with the sliders cranked. The only sliders that work when set over 50 is holding, facemask, clipping and roughing the QB. It's interesting that last year, when EA focused on concussions, it was the first year that roughing the QB worked on anything set over 50.

I'm in the camp, for offline, that a few PI penalties and other penalties are better than no penalties called at all.

I know I'm not alone in that camp. The NCAA Game Changers and CD folks are letting EA know about the lack of penalties, I would hope the same would hold true for the people that are representing us for Madden.

[Big FN Deal]

Quote: Originally Posted by sgibs7

i have always been in the camp of "do we REALLY want more PI calls?" thats just me thought - imagine playing a game where there was like 10 PIs? frustratingggg. i gotta admit guys i havent seen a problem with this at all all season. I have never had someone beat me to the ball or block me form getting it and thought oh man i lost the game because of this. at the same time i see what your talking about - i see whats happening and it is 100% something that needs to be fixed. good user control on both sides of the ball will help remedy some of the issues that are going on

See this goes back to the point I was making about the tourney scene, as I have experienced. While there is no textbook way to play Madden "right", there are many clear guidelines for playing NFL football right and not impeding or attempting to intentionally interfere with a receiver's route is an example.

You seem to be implying that tournament rule enforcement should be reactionary, not preventive, by only prohibiting "tactics" that can be directly contributed to losing. What many others and myself believe is that tournament rules should also be preventive and prohibit "tactics" that are not based on NFL realism taking into consideration the shortcomings/limitations of the Madden program.

People get too caught up in the winning and losing aspect of sports and games, imo when the true goal is overcoming the challenges. The tourney scene seems to value the challenge of beating their opponent but finds every opportunity to circumvent the personal challenge of self discipline and competing within realistic limitations.

Despite its' issues the intent of Madden is to simulate NFL football so whenever someone plays Madden with any intent besides to reasonably simulate NFL football, that's an attempt to exploit the program, using it for something that it was not intended, imo.

[sgibs7]

Quote: Originally Posted by roadman

I just want to reiterate that against the CPU, no PI calls is an issue, even with the sliders cranked. The only sliders that work when set over 50 is holding, facemask, clipping and roughing the QB. It's interesting that last year, when EA focused on concussions, it was the first year that roughing the QB worked on anything set over 50. I'm in the camp, for offline, that a few PI penalties and other penalties are better than no penalties called at all. I know I'm not alone in that camp. The NCAA Game Changers and CD folks are letting EA know about the lack of penalties, I would hope the same would hold true for the people that are representing us for Madden.

absolutely on board with that - i was there for ncaa.

regardless of how i think it plays and how i see it working - i 100% think it needs to be fixed.

i just personally dont see it being a problem. i recognize that it needs to be fixed but overall it never made me think this is a game breaking issue. but it still needs to be fixed

[sgibs7]

Quote: Originally Posted by Big FN Deal

See this goes back to the point I was making about the tourney scene, as I have experienced. While there is no textbook way to play Madden "right", there are many clear guidelines for playing NFL football right and not impeding or attempting to intentionally interfere with a receiver's route is an example. You seem to be implying that tournament rule enforcement should be reactionary, not preventive, by only prohibiting "tactics" that can be directly contributed to losing. What many others and myself believe is that tournament rules should also be preventive and prohibit "tactics" that are not based on NFL realism taking into consideration the shortcomings/limitations of the Madden program. People get too caught up in the winning and losing aspect of sports and games, imo when the true goal is overcoming the challenges. The tourney scene seems to value the challenge of beating their opponent but finds every opportunity to circumvent the personal challenge of self discipline and competing within realistic limitations. Despite its' issues the intent of Madden is to simulate NFL football so whenever someone plays Madden with any intent besides to reasonably simulate NFL football, that's an attempt to exploit the program, using it for something that it was not intended, imo.

the main difference (what i believe) is that I dont see what you mention effecting the outcome of the game and or play at all to give someone a advantage.

so it just doesnt bother me. again just how i look at it - doesnt mean im right and it doesnt mean that you are right.

really about coming together to get the game to be the best game possible and with your feedback, my feedback, and everyones feedback put togehter - thats how we can get the game to where we all want it

[RGiles36]

Quote: Originally Posted by roadman

I know I'm not alone in that camp. The NCAA Game Changers and CD folks are letting EA know about the lack of penalties, I would hope the same would hold true for the people that are representing us for Madden.

It absolutely does hold true. It's certainly something I mentioned when I spoke to the developers back in February. Now how does that feedback impact M13? I'll find out soon.