More NBA 2K13 Player Ratings Revealed - Pippen, Love, Davis, Ellis, Waiters and Iggy

[beast10]

Iggy has a complete game besides his confidence.
Stop complaining and be thankful that NBA 2K doesn't look live Live..
Smh

[Nokstar]

Quote: Originally Posted by BlakkMajik3000

You obviously glossed over my reply. You implied that playing with Jordan was the reason his assist stats were what they were. Over his career, Pippen played 7 seasons without Jordan: 1. 93-94 after Jordan's retirement: APG - 5.6 2. 98-99 traded to Rockets: APG - 5.9 3. 99-00 traded to Portland: APG - 5.0 4. 00-01 Portland: APG - 4.6 5. 01-02 Portland: APG - 5.9 6. 02-03 Portland: APG - 4.5 7. 03-04 Chicago: APG - 2.2 (injured most of the season, retired after) Broken down further: APG with Jordan: 5.3 APG w/o Jordan: 4.8 Career APG - 5.2 So, with or without Jordan on his team, he managed to average right around 5 APG. Sure, having Jordan definitely doesn't hurt, but you act like that's the only person he passed the ball to. Want to talk about defense? Jordan relieved the offensive pressure, so it allowed him to save energy and be a better defender? Pippen averaged around 2 SPG in his first 6 seasons with Mike, not bad. However, he averaged a career high 2.9 SPG the first season after MJ's retirement, when he also took on the role as the team's number one scorer. But wait, that can't be. As you clearly stated, Pippen was only a good defender because Jordan had the scoring load, so there is no way he could have taken over the role of lead scorer and achieve a career high in SPG, right? Also, he had the same SPG average during the season Mike came back toward the end. Even as he got older (Portland years), he managed to consistently average 1.5 SPG. Not too shabby for a player that was definitely past his prime by then. You make it seem like Pippen would not have been the player he was without Mike, yet you seem to ignore that it goes both ways. Neither was a champion without the other.

You're typing too much for nothing..I don't care if he would or wouldn't be the player he is with Jordan or without him ..I'm saying the player he is ...is not worth a 92 overall rating. He was a great player but not superstar material. In my book you arent worthy of a 90+ rating unless you are a superstar player. If we giving players like pippen a 92 then we are messing up the rating scale....there's only room for 8 points difference between him and the "perfect" player.

The difference in play between Jordan/Kobe/lebron and pippen is well worth more than 6 or less points I'm sorry. Lebron averaged "prime" pippen numbers in his rookie season almost....21..5..6....playing with a bottom of the barrel cavs team at 19 years of age. Pippen didn't sustain anything over 20 points for like 7 years after his best statistical season...literally everything went down year after year...lebron is on year what...10 or 11? We don't even know if he's reached his prime yet and has already much better of a stud than pippen and your going to tell me pippen in his prime is a 92? If pippen at his best is a 92 than lebron has to be 105 when its all said and done...the rating scale is rendered off at that point.

I hate that I even have to debate this because pippen is one of my favorite players and this whole thing gives off the impression to others that I don't like him or something...I'm just realistic.

Your going to bring up pippen taking the bulls to the playoffs a random season compared to lebron doing that every year of his career pretty much...from the arguable worst team in the league to where's he's at now? Cmon man..

Here's a test for you..where do YOU put pippen on a top 20 list OF ALL TIME that you've watched play?


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[Thunder Storm]

I respect Iguodala as a player ... but just think about this for a sec. 87 is 3 points away from 90 .... Iggy is 3 points away from 90 !

c'mon son. It's not such a big deal but sheesh.

[BezO]

Quote: Originally Posted by stlpimpmonsta

Not sure how u r justifying 92pips rating by showing highlight that show more about 1994 and beyond........but whatever

The skill set is the same. He became one of the league's best in '91/'92. He just upped the frequency after '92/'93. He didn't make the Dream Team by not being one of the top players in the league at that time.

[Nokstar]

Quote: Originally Posted by BezO

The skill set is the same. He became one of the league's best in '91/'92. He just upped the frequency after '92/'93. He didn't make the Dream Team by not being one of the top players in the league at that time.

Is Iggy worthy of a dream team appearance if it was all about the very best players in the league to fill up a 10-12 man roster?

Pippen is a great player..he was on the dream team because he is good and happened to want to play on the dream team. Plenty of players play or don't play on the dream team for various reasons outside if they are the best of the best in the league...just ask Isaiah Thomas.

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[Jonnie]

Jared Dudley LOL wtf man. Still haven't shown lebron wade Dwight or rose, yet there about to reveal Jared Dudley's rating? Haha o man. If this guy is in the 80's then the 2kinsider needs to be banned from basketball Forever.

[BezO]

Quote: Originally Posted by Nokstar

The difference in play between Jordan/Kobe/lebron and pippen is well worth more than 6 or less points I'm sorry. Lebron averaged "prime" pippen numbers in his rookie season almost....21..5..6....playing with a bottom of the barrel cavs team at 19 years of age. Pippen didn't sustain anything over 20 points for like 7 years after his best statistical season...literally everything went down year after year...lebron is on year what...10 or 11? We don't even know if he's reached his prime yet and has already much better of a stud than pippen and your going to tell me pippen in his prime is a 92? If pippen at his best is a 92 than lebron has to be 105 when its all said and done...the rating scale is rendered off at that point...

I believe you & others are putting too much into the stats. I'm looking at the skill set. Pippen & LeBron have a very similar skill set.

Many times the stats have as much to do with the team make up as a player's skill. Quite a few of Pippen's teammates were 6'10-7'0. Giving up rebounds to them doesn't take away from his rebounding skill.

IMO, he could score in more ways than LeBron because he could play in the post. But he played along side MJ, the best scorer of his generation. Giving up points to him doesn't take away from his scoring ability.

Playing along side Jordan probably took away from his assist numbers too since MJ handled the ball so much & created much of his own shots.

And I don't care what the numbers say. Pippen was a much better defender than LeBron is. IMO, he's the best perimeter defender of all time. On ball, playing the lanes, defending the post, coming from the weakside, chase down blocks, full court pressure on PGs... he did it all, consistently.

*Edit: What individual ratings would you give LeBron over Pippen, and by how much?

Quote: Originally Posted by Nokstar

Is Iggy worthy of a dream team appearance if it was all about the very best players in the league to fill up a 10-12 man roster?

They try to put together teams now instead of grabbing all the best players... rebounders, defenders, 6th men, shooters, etc. That was not the case in '92. Outside of Laettner, that team was made up of the best players in the league at the time. There were no Chandlers, Hardens or Iguodalas on the original Dream Team.

Quote: Originally Posted by Nokstar

Pippen is a great player..he was on the dream team because he is good and happened to want to play on the dream team. Plenty of players play or don't play on the dream team for various reasons outside if they are the best of the best in the league...just ask Isaiah Thomas.

Isaiah got snubbed. Stockton should not have been on that team ahead of him. But no one is complaining about Pippen taking a more deserving player's spot.

And I'm not aware of anyone turning down a spot on the original Dream Team.

[Itsfuntobethespurs]

Quote: Originally Posted by Jonnie

Jared Dudley LOL wtf man. Still haven't shown lebron wade Dwight or rose, yet there about to reveal Jared Dudley's rating? Haha o man. If this guy is in the 80's then the 2kinsider needs to be banned from basketball Forever.

They've just announce that Allen Iverson is in the game (I'm guessing 2001 vs Lakers, 94 rating) and you're talking about Dudley, man? Come on!