BCS Will Continue as the Postseason Format For All Years of Dynasty in NCAA Football

[Ziza9Noles94]

Quote: Originally Posted by CM Hooe

And you know this so definitively based on what, exactly? According to Wikipedia, the Madden NFL code base is over 10 million lines of code. I'm sure that NCAA is probably similar. Nothing gets added to such a monolith easily.

I would agree that it probably isn't easy to add to the code. But his other points about the game's "realism" and attention to accuracy were spot-on.

[theharbinater]

Quote: Originally Posted by moylan

No one has a clue how a playoff works? I don't see anyone saying EA better get this 100% accurate in year one. Any type of simple playoff structure would work fine for the first year. People just need to stop with this POV in regards to this particular game. If our expectations for NCAA Football were limited by the current state of college football than we should of never been expecting Teambuilder, Coaching Carousel, or Custom Conferences yet we have all three.

agreed. also, most of the unknowns (conf champs requirement or not, bowls, higher seed home team games (i think that's already been shot down, but cold be an option anyway), bcs tie in (straight top 4, or must be in top 10, etc.), sos, multi teams from 1 conf (or not)) could/should all be options.

if i want the top 4 ranked teams regardless of conf affiliation, the just select top 4 in bcs (or coaches/media, etc).

if i want 4 highest rated conf champs, then select must be conf champ, based on rank.

if i want no more than 1 per conf and for conf champ to be significant factor, but not overriding factor like above, then do conf champ if in top 10, otherwise highest rank with only 1 allowed per conf.

bottom line is they need to have options and allow customization.

[DorianDonP]

Quote: Originally Posted by tHurley2010

I understand that. And if you would've read the very next sentence, I give a possible explanation: that it could be a logistical nightmare to code a switch past year one. The conference switch code and the playoff after year one code are different. In addition, EA was very familiar with the code needed for conference alignment that they could put it into the game without error.

That "possible explanation" doesn't explain away your argument for realism.

Their job is to code. It being hard doesn't change the fact that it's their JOB. It's hard to score touchdowns in the NFL but a fan can still criticize when it's not being done.

I think the "logistical nightmare" is hyperbole on your part. If putting in a playoff code is a nightmare for a developer of video games, then they might need to get some new developers. Especially since the playoff has been announced for over a year.

It seems like people are jumping all over the place to try to answer for it not being in. Is it realism? Is it being too hard? Is it not knowing who is on the selection committee?

Maybe it's a bit of it all. Maybe it's none of the above and it's just about selling copies next year as the big feature. I can buy that. I'd accept that as the reason why it's not in. But "being too hard" and "being more realistic" doesn't work as reasons IMO.

[Retropyro]

All I heard was, "It is not our policy to put something into the upcoming version of the game that may be tagged as a selling point for the version that follows the next year".

[tHurley2010]

Quote: Originally Posted by DorianDonP

That "possible explanation" doesn't explain away your argument for realism. Their job is to code. It being hard doesn't change the fact that it's their JOB. It's hard to score touchdowns in the NFL but a fan can still criticize when it's not being done. I think the "logistical nightmare" is hyperbole on your part. If putting in a playoff code is a nightmare for a developer of video games, then they might need to get some new developers. Especially since the playoff has been announced for over a year. It seems like people are jumping all over the place to try to answer for it not being in. Is it realism? Is it being too hard? Is it not knowing who is on the selection committee? Maybe it's a bit of it all. Maybe it's none of the above and it's just about selling copies next year as the big feature. I can buy that. I'd accept that as the reason why it's not in. But "being too hard" and "being more realistic" doesn't work as reasons IMO.

I'm not exactly talking about the playoff code itself, as much as I am talking about switching from the BCS code to the playoff code within they dynasty. I don't know the code needed to do that--perhaps the developers do, and also understand that it could screw up a whole bunch of other things, because coding does that sometimes.

A parallel to Madden can't be drawn here because Madden starts off with the playoffs from Year 1. There is no switch between years. That alone should be enough to differentiate the two.

Maybe it's easy, maybe it's not. Maybe they know the code and don't want to use it as a feature until next year. Maybe they don't know how to implement the code properly, and can't include it this year. That is known only within a small group within the confines of Electronic Arts.

As for the realism, I meant to say it as I would rather have them work on fixing current aspects in the game that are broken and unrealistic before they try to implement a playoff system. If they can do that with this years edition sans playoff, I'll be AOK with that.

[Colt45]

Quote: Originally Posted by aholbert32

Why is that "malarkey"? Would you prefer they make up criteria?

Yes. Absolutely.

[Hooe]

Quote: Originally Posted by Colt45

Yes. Absolutely.

And then they have to most assuredly redo it for the next game once the parameters for choosing playoff teams are more clear. You surely understand how that - duplicating work - is a disaster from an operational standpoint, not just for Tiburon but for any company. It shouldn't be surprising that Tiburon chose not to go this route.

[DorianDonP]

Quote: Originally Posted by CM Hooe

And then they have to most assuredly redo it for the next game once the parameters for choosing playoff teams are more clear. You surely understand how that - duplicating work - is a disaster from an operational standpoint, not just for Tiburon but for any company. It shouldn't be surprising that Tiburon chose not to go this route.

Maybe I'd have more sympathy if this wasn't a company that puts something in and then barely touches it again (coaching carousel, teambuilder, rtg, etc), or even worse, takes it out the next year.

I see "redoing" it as the same thing as when they constantly redo how recruiting works and the other things in the game that don't stay the same the next year.

Fwiw, I don't think they'd have to "redo" it as you said. They'd be tweaking and tuning the logic. Even you said it, the parameters for how they choose the teams is the only thing that might "change". But the infrastructure would already be there, because THAT part of the playoff is already set in stone.