Next-Gen Madden NFL 25 Twitter Q&A w/ Art Director Jean Adams & Producer Seann Graddy

[TwoHeadedDog]

A better Twitter question would have been: Why does FIFA look so real (on current and next gen) but not Madden?

[GiantBlue76]

LMAO - and here come the excuses yet again! I've never seen anything like it in software development. No matter the hardware power, no matter the staff, no matter how much time - there is always SOME excuse.

It's just comical at this point. I've already cancelled my pre-order for Madden next gen.

It must be sheer entertainment watching things that go on in the land of Tiburon. It is a true fantasy land encased in a bubble that is apparently all but bullet proof. I just find it amazing how they are lagging further and further behind. These other franchises are preparing to launch their games into a level we've never seen before. Tiburon is still attempting to launch their game into 2004, LMAO.

No offense Kev and Frisk, but making the excuses about priorities and what not does not help and only hurts. They've had 9+ years and another hardware cycle to fix this disaster and it is still not close. 2k developers are just WAY better than your developers. Konami developers are WAY better than your developers. 989 sports developers are WAY better than your developers. The ride is over. The management at Tiburon should realize that crapping in a box and selling to the masses is over.

What a waste.

[loccdogg26]

As a die hard Lions fan I hope they can differentiate between "white" and "silver". In Madden 25 current gen they have the Turkey Day uniform pants as well as 1997 Vintage pants as "white" when in real life they are "silver". All they have to do is look at Barry Sanders cover photo. However they have worn "white" pants before (circa 1950s).

Also on a side note I hope they show the Adidas players some love like update the cleats (even though they are few in number) RGIII, C.J. Spiller, Eric Barry etc.

[NFL_GREAT]

Quote: Originally Posted by Kevin26385

I am not saying that they should just sit on the sideline and not have their opinion heard. However, many of the "loud" users ruin OS because all they do is bash the game and development studio. Not very many people here post suggestions and back them up with real life examples. A lot of posts are just blanket statements. "This needs to be fixed." "This is unrealistic." etc. If you had limited time, would you sift through the noise on OS or go to a community that is constructive and can clearly explain their opinions? I know it is not fair to some of you here, but a lot of people ruin the experience. Just being real.

I disagree Kevin. Over the years there have been many posts in regards to specific issues (legacy problems) that are simply never addressed. Things like Man coverage "mirroring" WR routes instead of actual man coverage, zones being basically useless in watching defenders in hook zones stand around and LET wr's catch the ball before they even react. There was a thread on here about curl routes and how Revis and Sherman get beat 100% of the time in man coverage. Let's not forget videos that have been posted of kickers playing LT and blocking elite DE's. The list goes on.

It seems most of these legacy issues are inherent to the base code and simply cannot and will not be changed unless this current engine(s) is/are thrown away and we get a more realistic game built from scratch. It's tiring looking forward to the next game, let alone brand new hardware, and have to be disappointed with legacy issues that have plagued the game for years, problems that have been voiced and beat to death, to only persist, year after year.

I don't condone anyone, especially Devs or GC'ers getting personally attacked, especially when they take their own valuable time to come here and communicate. The frustrations of this game, and having no other options as consumers is boiled over. I've come to the conclusion the only way we will ever get a better playing NFL game is if another developer can use the license, or Madden sells drop off so dramatically that EA is forced to take action and really invest in this game.

[dat swag]

Quote: Originally Posted by NFL_GREAT

I disagree Kevin. Over the years there have been many posts in regards to specific issues (legacy problems) that are simply never addressed. Things like Man coverage "mirroring" WR routes instead of actual man coverage, zones being basically useless in watching defenders in hook zones stand around and LET wr's catch the ball before they even react. There was a thread on here about curl routes and how Revis and Sherman get beat 100% of the time in man coverage. Let's not forget videos that have been posted of kickers playing LT and blocking elite DE's. The list goes on. It seems most of these legacy issues are inherent to the base code and simply cannot and will not be changed unless this current engine(s) is/are thrown away and we get a more realistic game built from scratch. It's tiring looking forward to the next game, let alone brand new hardware, and have to be disappointed with legacy issues that have plagued the game for years, problems that have been voiced and beat to death, to only persist, year after year. I don't condone anyone, especially Devs or GC'ers getting personally attacked, especially when they take their own valuable time to come here and communicate. The frustrations of this game, and having no other options as consumers is boiled over. I've come to the conclusion the only way we will ever get a better playing NFL game is if another developer can use the license, or Madden sells drop off so dramatically that EA is forced to take action and really invest in this game.

I can tell you with 100% certainty that DB's DO NOT...and I repeat dO NOT get beat in man coverage on curl routes everytime...There is a coverage option in the game that locks that play up 9 outta 10 times. Its not something that is in the manual either...I was frustrated with the curl and hook routes too but when I was shown how to defense them the game has a new life.

Unfortunatley all too often people don't spend time trying to figure out something...Instead the minute they think something is unstoppable they claim and blame EA or the developer. Now...I agree it should not be rocket science to stop a simple curl or hook route but at the same time EA has all the tools in the game to play damn good defense. The problem for me is there is no time to make all the adjustments at the line so you really have to hone in on your opponents tendancies and pick your poison.

[michapop9]

Quote: Originally Posted by dat swag

I can tell you with 100% certainty that DB's DO NOT...and I repeat dO NOT get beat in man coverage on curl routes everytime...There is a coverage option in the game that locks that play up 9 outta 10 times. Its not something that is in the manual either...I was frustrated with the curl and hook routes too but when I was shown how to defense them the game has a new life. Unfortunatley all too often people don't spend time trying to figure out something...Instead the minute they think something is unstoppable they claim and blame EA or the developer. Now...I agree it should not be rocket science to stop a simple curl or hook route but at the same time EA has all the tools in the game to play damn good defense. The problem for me is there is no time to make all the adjustments at the line so you really have to hone in on your opponents tendancies and pick your poison.

This swag is another part of a bigger problem, there are many who dont mess with sliders and investigate, very true. But there are many who do and part of the problem is ITS NOT IN THE MANUAL HOW TO DO IT!!!

First off you know theres something wrong when so many people are confused about whether a slider is backwards or not, or maybe it depends so heavily on another slider that it would effect one you just changed and get a completely different result than you thought. Theres no explanation or instruction given at the possible outcomes. Penalty sliders are a perfect example, they obviously effect gameplay and animations but whats written in the explanation? "adjust this slider higher for a higher chance of pass intereference being called on the defense" does it do that??? Not even remotely!!!!! does it make the defenders less aggressive on reacting to a pass?? Yes it does!

People have to find that out on there own when no instruction is given and who would of thought that would even come close to doing something like that? Soooo much time is wasted messing with things and not being able to enjoy a true franchise with straightforward sliders that do what they say they do (or at least what you think they say they do).

I dont know if things like this are put in the game because the thought is it might be fun to "investigate" or what, but ill tell you what, IM TIRED OF INVESTIGATING!!! IVE been doing it for about three years and Im sick of not finishing games because Im trying to figure out just exactly what a slider does!!!

I cant make it through a whole season!!! The only reason im playing this year is because an OSer named Khalib made an editor that enables you to change things inside a profile that you dont have an option to inside the game itself. Im finding alot of interesting things, but heres the thing, just like last year im not enjoying a franchise!!!!!! Im trying to figure out how to make mediocre unbalanced unrealisitic gameplay better!!!!!!!!! When sliders are confusing or dont do what they say they do than it just ends up being a frustrating experience!!!

I can already hear people say than just play and forget about sliders and enjoy whats given too you!!!! Ugggh........is there no hope?

[ajk49er]

Legacy Issues were never fixed. Challenges we were never allowed to choose what we wanted to challenge. Penalties are flat out pointless in this game. there is no real connection between franchise and in game commentary beyond 1 line. no season totals for DB's, HB's ETC. Assisted Tackles, broken. Pancakes, broken. Sim Stats, broken and worse every year. CPU Management of rosters is worse than you would see in NBA Jam 99, which actually understood the concept of potential.

I really could go on for pages and pages and pages of stuff that not only gets ignored every year, but will likely remain the same 10 years from now while they continue to put in stuff like heat seeker.

that isn't even getting into that offline, CFM is flat out broken.

and we get excuses? and now excuses from consumers? how? how can you defend this anymore?

[GiantBlue76]

Quote: Originally Posted by ajk49er

Legacy Issues were never fixed. Challenges we were never allowed to choose what we wanted to challenge. Penalties are flat out pointless in this game. there is no real connection between franchise and in game commentary beyond 1 line. no season totals for DB's, HB's ETC. Assisted Tackles, broken. Pancakes, broken. Sim Stats, broken and worse every year. CPU Management of rosters is worse than you would see in NBA Jam 99, which actually understood the concept of potential. I really could go on for pages and pages and pages of stuff that not only gets ignored every year, but will likely remain the same 10 years from now while they continue to put in stuff like heat seeker. that isn't even getting into that offline, CFM is flat out broken. and we get excuses? and now excuses from consumers? how? how can you defend this anymore?

You didn't even get into the gameplay. How about the basics, like player movement. The fact that someone could come on here and actually say that people haven't provided constructive criticism and suggestions is amazing. Not only that, but why does a community have to provide basics about football?!!! How about how silly it looks when you dive at the QB, fold his body like a piece of paper, and the ball shoots out and goes incomplete. That is something i would expect on the Nintendo 64 it looks so bad. Or when you get around the edge, and you get that annoying dive tackle that takes your legs out, folds your back into to pieces and you go down like you were shot in the back with a shotgun. It amazes me that anyone can defend this crap.

I'm sorry, but enough is enough with this.