Madden NFL 25 Impressions (PS4)

[Boilerbuzz]

Quote: Originally Posted by N51_rob

Does anyone, think that the 3-4 defense is at a disadvantage vs the run? I know that I mostly use the Redskins and that is probably part of the problem. Just wondering if any other user who run a 3-4 defense are having difficulties?

Whoever coded run pursuit and gap logic needs to be moved to another part of gameplay. Maybe input and controller code.

[Boilerbuzz]

Quote: Originally Posted by LBzrule

To be a little fair, it looks like based on the way that defense is aligned, your force player is on the right side of the screen. That's why Charles can get out there like that. The issue I have with it though is that the defensive call looks to be a blitz. You shouldn't have to blitz to have a force run support player. The game IMO is still off when it comes to those things on defense Force, Spiller, contain, PA boot player. That said, the game does have "gap control." To remedy this until the game gets up to speed, I call a defense that is supposed to have a force player on one side, then I control a defender opposite that and if the runs is away from my original force player, I become the force player on the other side. In this play above, controlling the OLB away from the blitz or controlling the Safety up top and lining up over the LG 10 to 12 yards deep could have put you in position. I can't promise that open field tackling will be good though LOL

But, LB that's not fair. Either the run fit is baked in or totally wrong and flipped. The game isn't smart enough to adjust the run fits based on the flow of the play? That's ***! Frankly, I think that if the run was to the right, that linebacker on the right would not take a good angle to contain the run to that side. Just like the it happened on the left.

[LBzrule]

Quote: Originally Posted by Boilerbuzz

But, LB that's not fair. Either the run fit is baked in or totally wrong and flipped. The game isn't smart enough to adjust the run fits based on the flow of the play? That's ***! Frankly, I think that if the run was to the right, that linebacker on the right would not take a good angle to contain the run to that side. Just like the it happened on the left.

I know it's not fair but that's how their game is and no matter how many times it has been said here or in person, it seems to fall on deaf ears That's why when they talked about player smarts and making X amount more calculations I just rolled my eyes. I even asked this very thing: Force, Spiller, Cutback, PA boot and NOBODY answered it. I ask about it all the time and it gets looked over. Now either someone doesn't know what I'm talking about which I refuse to believe, or they don't know how to code it, or they refuse to code it because they don't see it as important or it could be something else, I'm not sure.

Back to what you said, you are most likely right. Had the run been to the right, the safety and backer on that side would have probably started looking for a lineman and ran inside as if to say, hey you are supposed to block me. Actually I'd bet money you are right. They would have not blocked the back side and the line would have picked up everyone on the front side. That's fine that they get picked up, but their movement shouldn't have them sealed off. I don't mind them getting picked up if they keep outside leverage and force the run back to the cutback player. But again, this game aint playing by those principles. This game seems more of, let's create run free, nevermind, guys get to run free a lot of the time because of undisciplined defensive players. It does a fantastic job of showcasing BEATEN defensive players LOL but nothing to show undisciplined players.

Again, I thought that's what player intelligence was supposed to do. If a player is making 50x more calculations why can't they get the Force, spiller, cutback, programmed into the game. It's not like that is a huge calculation. All it is is if the offense runs this way and we are in this defense X is force, Y is the Spiller, Z is the contain, A is the PA Boot. It's not like the defensive player is thinking about 50 things.

[4thQtrStre5S]

Are these run defense issues consistent over multiple qualities of defense? Seems that maybe player "play recognition," "awareness" and what have you, may play a big role...I know I have seen defenses look like they were lost numerous times, Green Bay's defense over the last 3 weeks look like a high school team..

I also have decided to believe that EA/Tiburon purposely leaves parts of a defense open as they want the user to take control and play a part in the defenses success or failure, not just call a play and have all the defenders do the proper role to perfection....

I spend time practicing defense, as it is hard to play, IMO, at least compared to offense, and I move players pre-snap and make all sorts of adjustments, when I'm not feeling lazy, and I seem to fail or succeed by how much I put into the defense....I will agree that the defense requires too much work overall, and could be fine tuned....I also agree that I am not seeing 60 calculations a second, but then a bad decision by a player can still indicate the calculation is present, just that the player attributes result in the less than ideal decision.

In the end, EA/Tiburon best have one hell of a M15 game in store...

EDIT - I have to try and consider how many times, while watching my fav team on defense, have I asked questions such as, "what were they thinking," "who called that play," "how did he miss that tackle," "Do they not know that the other team is targetting 'X' receiver or tight end"? etc etc...

[LBzrule]

Quote: Originally Posted by 4thQtrStre5S

Are these run defense issues consistent over multiple qualities of defense? Seems that maybe player "play recognition," "awareness" and what have you, may play a big role...I know I have seen defenses look like they were lost numerous times, Green Bay's defense over the last 3 weeks look like a high school team.. I also have decided to believe that EA/Tiburon purposely leaves parts of a defense open as they want the user to take control and play a part in the defenses success or failure, not just call a play and have all the defenders do the proper role to perfection.... I spend time practicing defense, as it is hard to play, IMO, at least compared to offense, and I move players pre-snap and make all sorts of adjustments, when I'm not feeling lazy, and I seem to fail or succeed by how much I put into the defense....I will agree that the defense requires too much work overall, and could be fine tuned....I also agree that I am not seeing 60 calculations a second, but then a bad decision by a player can still indicate the calculation is present, just that the player attributes result in the less than ideal decision. In the end, EA/Tiburon best have one hell of a M15 game in store... EDIT - I have to try and consider how many times, while watching my fav team on defense, have I asked questions such as, "what were they thinking," "who called that play," "how did he miss that tackle," "Do they not know that the other team is targetting 'X' receiver or tight end"? etc etc...

For the most part the run defense will be tied to the coverage across the board, no matter the team. That's just how defenses work. That's why teams look for specific players because they think that specific player will be able to fulfill that role on their team. This does not mean that guys do not get confused or that offenses cannot force them to be undisciplined. Sometimes guys get fundamentally unsound when they start seeing stuff that they've never seen; or when they don't trust their other guys to do what they are supposed to do so they try to overcompensate; or they just get beat by the offensive player. Just because that's the system doesn't mean that it is automatic. For instance in the Ravens system, they rely on everybody up front beating their man. And for the most part it has worked. There have been some games this year where things up front did not work for them and they got ran on (Buffalo; 1st Steelers game; Packers game).

All kinds of games can be played pending on who is a part of the run fit. Sometimes, in 3-4 anyways, the ILB will play a game with the OLB. OLB crashes down hard, ILB takes the edge; back side ILB = cutback. It's not traditional but I've seen it. Most teams use their Safeties in the run fit and the Safety plays a game with the OLB. There is actually a great write up out on this. PM me and I'll send it to ya. Then you will see the uber deficiencies of run defense in this game. Ultimately, how you cover largely determines getting your guys in the best spots to stop the run.

[Gotmadskillzson]

This sums up my feeling of Madden 25 on next gen.



Now excuse me while I dance around with my Madden 25 game case.

[bucky60]

Quote: Originally Posted by 4thQtrStre5S

I know I have seen defenses look like they were lost numerous times, Green Bay's defense over the last 3 weeks look like a high school team..

I know this is off topic. And it may be against the TOS. And I'm obviously saying this in jest. But as a Packer fan, I hate you. Oh has it been painful.

Is there a smiliey with tears?

[4thQtrStre5S]

Quote: Originally Posted by bucky60

I know this is off topic. And it may be against the TOS. And I'm obviously saying this in jest. But as a Packer fan, I hate you. Oh has it been painful. Is there a smiliey with tears?

Actually - though I have a Raiders avatar I am a huge Packers fan - they are my one and only true favorite team...It is sad times this season...Cannot believe how important Rodgers is to the "whole" team.