MLB 14 The Show Livestream (PS4)

[munky1307]

When people complain about things not looking "next gen", it shows you how spoiled we are by the good graphics we have already across the board on the existing consoles.

I played The Show for the first time ever last night at a buddy's house ('14 on PS3). Maybe you guys are so used to the game year in and year out but the stream looks way more polished graphically and the stadiums are a huge difference from the PS3 version. With that said, it's already a good looking game. I didn't play enough to comment on small details and I can respect people want tweaks to things that haven't changed much over the years.

When you want a solid house, you have to build a solid foundation. Seems that's what they did for the PS4 version. Now they can focus on all the other things the next few years. Seems like a good strategy to me. People who expect the game to have all these differences or be completely rewritten in such a short time truly know nothing about software development.

I for one can't wait for May 6th!

[Qb]

Quote: Originally Posted by Russell_SCEA

PS4 only Over 350 new fielding and baserunning animations 3 new swing types All new crowd audio and ambient audio recaptured in HD Team specific and player specific crowd signs New lighting engine for daytime games New lighting engine for nighttime games New skeleton for players Bat boys and Bay boy presentations Children in the crowd's Completely new crowd skeleton (10k polygon count PS3 is 1,600) Uncompressed jersey textures New specular models for players skin and equipment Specular maps in all stadiums (PS3 has none) Night time self shadowing on players (PS3 has none) New hair tech that creates individual hair stands Grass with geometry (PS3 is a flat surface) New dirt particle effects and dirt clumps Plus every new feature that was introduced on PS3. That's quite an achievement for 75 man development team creating three skus in 9 months. When one of them had to be built from the ground up.

I can't help myself...

[ckarlic]

Quote: Originally Posted by munky1307

When people complain about things not looking "next gen", it shows you how spoiled we are by the good graphics we have already across the board on the existing consoles. I played The Show for the first time ever last night at a buddy's house ('14 on PS3). Maybe you guys are so used to the game year in and year out but the stream looks way more polished graphically and the stadiums are a huge difference from the PS3 version. With that said, it's already a good looking game. I didn't play enough to comment on small details and I can respect people want tweaks to things that haven't changed much over the years. When you want a solid house, you have to build a solid foundation. Seems that's what they did for the PS4 version. Now they can focus on all the other things the next few years. Seems like a good strategy to me. People who expect the game to have all these differences or be completely rewritten in such a short time truly know nothing about software development. I for one can't wait for May 6th!

Well said. Ive had the PS3 version of the Show since release and last night I played a few games after watching the Live stream and am not sure I want to play the PS3 version as much now. Im reall looking forward to playing the PS4 version and I may cut back on playing the PS3 version a bit knowing what the PS4 version has in store (not going to stop cold turkey though as I need to scratch my baseball itch once in a while and it does play a great game of baseball ) . May 6th can't get here soon enough!

[bluengold34_OS]

Quote: Originally Posted by ckarlic

Well said. Ive had the PS3 version of the Show since release and last night I played a few games after watching the Live stream and am not sure I want to play the PS3 version as much now. Im reall looking forward to playing the PS4 version and I may cut back on playing the PS3 version a bit knowing what the PS4 version has in store (not going to stop cold turkey though as I need to scratch my baseball itch once in a while and it does play a great game of baseball ) . May 6th can't get here soon enough!

Ha - Chris, I wish I had that type of constraint. The PS4 version looks just beautiful, but they did such a good job on the PS3 version, that when I'm not playing it, I want to be. I truly appreciate the effort that has been put into the PS3 version, and have no doubt I will still be in awe of the PS4 version -

[ckarlic]

Quote: Originally Posted by bluengold34_OS

Ha - Chris, I wish I had that type of constraint. The PS4 version looks just beautiful, but they did such a good job on the PS3 version, that when I'm not playing it, I want to be. I truly appreciate the effort that has been put into the PS3 version, and have no doubt I will still be in awe of the PS4 version -

I agree..the ps3 version is second to none when it comes to baseball games. The best one to date IMHO. Im still going to play it to help pass time until May 6th. Im also going to try to keep myself occupied and busy in hopes of taking my mind off the game.

I wont lie, whenever I watch a baseball game, I get the urge to fire up the game and more times than not, that is exactly what I do. I caught myself watching the Yanks on my ipad on mlb.tv while I play the show

[seanjeezy]

Quote: Originally Posted by SVCbearcat10

Saw this in another thread. Graphics can only go so far for those expecting something radically different next generation...

Polygon count isn't everything though... For example, Marius from Ryse looks better than Delsin from InFamous and the difference in triangles is ~40,000 (~85,000 for Marius, ~120,000 for Delsin).

And I can't believe you of all people are bringing up diminishing returns... Weren't you defending the graphics the other day?

Quote: Originally Posted by SVCbearcat10

A lot of people complain that the jump of graphics isn't that significant between current-gen and next-gen; however, that was crazy good. Watch the stadiums video, then go to the MLB 14 The Show Videos thread in the PS3 side of the forums. The PS3 all of the sudden looks really bad and very very dated. Once you play the PS4 version, you'll never be able to stomach the PS3 version again.

Now its "graphics can only go so far"... Have you not seen Ryse? Driveclub? Killzone? 2K14? Hell, even The Show 2015 will be leaps and bounds above 2014, the same thing happened going from '07 to '08. Don't just brush aside next-gen because it doesn't fit your agenda.

*exhale...*

Surprisingly enough, I personally do not mind the CAP appearances because in the right hands CAPs can equal, and sometimes even exceed, the quality of the face scans. We have some talented creators here who do an amazing job on the PS3, and just having better textures will go a long way.

Anyway, sorry SVCbearcat10 about the rant, I just think diminishing returns is a ridiculous argument since graphics can always get better. Don't you eventually want in-game graphics to be on par with movie quality CGI? I sure do, and while it won't happen anytime in the immediate future, it will happen.

[Will I Am]

I'd love to see a "Gameplay Improvement" thread after the PS4 release.

Yes the improved graphics will be nice but I'm more interested in whether or not the gameplay itself is better. It's the only reason I would upgrade to PS4.

[SVCbearcat10]

Quote: Originally Posted by seanjeezy

Polygon count isn't everything though... For example, Marius from Ryse looks better than Delsin from InFamous and the difference in triangles is ~40,000 (~85,000 for Marius, ~120,000 for Delsin). And I can't believe you of all people are bringing up diminishing returns... Weren't you defending the graphics the other day? Now its "graphics can only go so far"... Have you not seen Ryse? Driveclub? Killzone? 2K14? Hell, even The Show 2015 will be leaps and bounds above 2014, the same thing happened going from '07 to '08. Don't just brush aside next-gen because it doesn't fit your agenda. *exhale...* Surprisingly enough, I personally do not mind the CAP appearances because in the right hands CAPs can equal, and sometimes even exceed, the quality of the face scans. We have some talented creators here who do an amazing job on the PS3, and just having better textures will go a long way. Anyway, sorry SVCbearcat10 about the rant, I just think diminishing returns is a ridiculous argument since graphics can always get better. Don't you eventually want in-game graphics to be on par with movie quality CGI? I sure do, and while it won't happen anytime in the immediate future, it will happen.

I'm not saying graphics can't be improved or noticeably improved, people are just expecting to be "blown away" by next-gen graphics. If you look at the graphic, you can tell a noticeable difference between the last 2 pictures. However, the difference is a lot more subtle and requires a closer eye than the earlier jumps.

Basically, I'm just saying that the leap from current-gen to next-gen will be much less than last-gen to current-gen. From the PS1 to the PS2 to the PS3 to the PS4, each console's graphical leap was less. Somebody may crack a code and make a huge leap. However, I think improvements will be more in movements than the models themselves, ie. having people walk less rigid, non-robotic lips when speaking, actual facial expressions etc. Eyes, skin, clothes, hair (is hit or miss) has been nailed down pretty good current-gen. Every next-gen game will have facial expressions like La Noire basically.