Madden NFL 16 Cover Vote Features Gronk, P. Peterson, Odell Beckham Jr. Antonio Brown

[GiantsFan2013]

Quote: Originally Posted by jbd345

So a rookie makes one great catch and all of a sudden he's going to be on madden? (You all know this is gonna happen) sorry id like to see how the rest of his career pans out before putting him on the cover. It should be someone who has had an established career. Just my opinion.

He had one of the greatest statistical seasons ever as a rookie, only playing 12 games.

[IndyColts2]

Quote: Originally Posted by ASUBoy93

To those saying that ODB only had one catch this season and doesn't deserve to be on the cover; he had 91 receptions for 1305 yards and 12 TD in just 12 games. Also, I actually like the cover vote. And the cover athlete is important, in a way, as it is essentially supposed to represent the biggest names in the NFL from the prior seasons. I wish we had the full 32-man field instead of just these four though. PP doesn't deserve to be a finalist over a lot of players.

Yeah he did that because victor Cruz was hurt the whole season. What other offensive playmakers do the Giants have ....? Reuben Randall ? Lmaooo yeah

[IndyColts2]

Quote: Originally Posted by CM Hooe

To that end - should a user be allowed control a running back? A quarterback? If so - why not a wide receiver, cornerback, or pass rusher? What's the difference? If not - that's a perfectly reasonable opinion, but (the limited in-game coach mode options notwithstanding) that's not the way Madden or any other mainstream console sports game has ever been built. They all expect the user to do something - to make the passes and shoot the ball, to swing the bat and throw the pitches - in order for his team to succeed. The ratings influence the result, yes, but the action doesn't begin to happen without user input. The "virtual guys do all the battles and not me" idea is not a useful expectation to hold these games to because it violates a core tenet of the game's experience. To be clear, this is not me hating on coach mode. I thought Head Coach 09 was fantastic, and coach simulators / text-based sports games can be great. I also think having coach mode options in Madden is great. All I'm saying here is Madden isn't, has never been, and will never be purely a coach simulator and shouldn't be treated purely as such.

That's the thing. Obviously we want as much user control as possible on any given situation, yes. But at the same time I want Calvin Johnson to play like Calvin Johnson and I want Riley Cooper to play like Riley Cooper. Just as in real life, the players are in full control of what they are doing but that doesn't mean that a Riley Cooper being in the same situation as Calvin Johnson will create the same end result. In Madden I can user catch anything I want with the right timing. I can juke anybody I want using any player with the right timing. There is no differentiation besides maybe the speed of a juke. Yes we should give the user control of the situation, but ratings and physics should determine the outcome.

I can put my WR on a 10 yard curl and throw the ball at 6 yards and press B, then smash Y and he will instantly turn around mid-stride and catch the ball as if he knew the QB was going to throw the ball halfway through his route. No. That should not be possible. It's football. The WR should continue running and the ball should sail behind him whether i switched my control or not. But since that is the kind of "control" people want then we will never have a "sim" game of Madden unless we as "sim users" ourselves make our house rules and disallow user switching. Makes sense.

[GiantsFan2013]

Quote: Originally Posted by IndyColts2

Yeah he did that because victor Cruz was hurt the whole season. What other offensive playmakers do the Giants have ....? Reuben Randall ? Lmaooo yeah

I hate when people give me the whole 'But he's the only one to do anything on that team!'. Yes, his numbers will probably go down a bit due to Cruz being back, and a better run game. But there are plenty of other WR's who basically are alone as playmakers on their teams, and don't do anything close to what Beckham did. So don't hate on him for doing what he can with what he had.

edit: Plus, you could say being the only playmaker is tougher than being with other guys, because he's going against team's Top-CB.

[sir psycho]

Quote: Originally Posted by GiantsFan2013

I hate when people give me the whole 'But he's the only one to do anything on that team!'. Yes, his numbers will probably go down a bit due to Cruz being back, and a better run game. But there are plenty of other WR's who basically are alone as playmakers on their teams, and don't do anything close to what Beckham did. So don't hate on him for doing what he can with what he had. edit: Plus, you could say being the only playmaker is tougher than being with other guys, because he's going against team's Top-CB.

That's exactly it...being the only real target made what he did even more impressive. Every game the top priority for opposing defenses was to stop Beckham, and he still dominated.

[Big FN Deal]

Quote: Originally Posted by IndyColts2

That's the thing. Obviously we want as much user control as possible on any given situation, yes. But at the same time I want Calvin Johnson to play like Calvin Johnson and I want Riley Cooper to play like Riley Cooper. Just as in real life, the players are in full control of what they are doing but that doesn't mean that a Riley Cooper being in the same situation as Calvin Johnson will create the same end result. In Madden I can user catch anything I want with the right timing. I can juke anybody I want using any player with the right timing. There is no differentiation besides maybe the speed of a juke. Yes we should give the user control of the situation, but ratings and physics should determine the outcome. I can put my WR on a 10 yard curl and throw the ball at 6 yards and press B, then smash Y and he will instantly turn around mid-stride and catch the ball as if he knew the QB was going to throw the ball halfway through his route. No. That should not be possible. It's football. The WR should continue running and the ball should sail behind him whether i switched my control or not. But since that is the kind of "control" people want then we will never have a "sim" game of Madden unless we as "sim users" ourselves make our house rules and disallow user switching. Makes sense.

Man we need more choices besides "like", maybe "love" and "hot grits hate", to wit I would give this post the former. Everything about what you posted seems like common sense and standard in a sports sim but for some odd reason has to be repeatedly explained and lobbied for in Madden.

[IndyColts2]

Quote: Originally Posted by sir psycho

That's exactly it...being the only real target made what he did even more impressive. Every game the top priority for opposing defenses was to stop Beckham, and he still dominated.

Listen. After this season ODB gained my respect as a WR. I put him into my favorite 5 WRs of 2014 category. He's great. But that doesn't change the fact that he was a rookie and it's not madden. It's real life NFL. Coaches aren't going to sit there and double or triple team a rookie WR on a garbage team just because he's putting up numbers. Once he proves himself which I believe he will over the next few seasons yeah maybe he will get that respect. But you can't disregard the fact that he's only popular because he was whipping in the end zone pregame and he makes one handed catches.

[Hooe]

Quote: Originally Posted by IndyColts2

That's the thing. Obviously we want as much user control as possible on any given situation, yes. But at the same time I want Calvin Johnson to play like Calvin Johnson and I want Riley Cooper to play like Riley Cooper. Just as in real life, the players are in full control of what they are doing but that doesn't mean that a Riley Cooper being in the same situation as Calvin Johnson will create the same end result. In Madden I can user catch anything I want with the right timing. I can juke anybody I want using any player with the right timing. There is no differentiation besides maybe the speed of a juke. Yes we should give the user control of the situation, but ratings and physics should determine the outcome. I can put my WR on a 10 yard curl and throw the ball at 6 yards and press B, then smash Y and he will instantly turn around mid-stride and catch the ball as if he knew the QB was going to throw the ball halfway through his route. No. That should not be possible. It's football. The WR should continue running and the ball should sail behind him whether i switched my control or not. But since that is the kind of "control" people want then we will never have a "sim" game of Madden unless we as "sim users" ourselves make our house rules and disallow user switching. Makes sense.

Oh, to be clear, ratings absolutely should influence the success of a user's actions - and they do - and also the CPU should absolutely use any of the mechanics offered to the user - which Rex Dickson recently posted on this forum would be happening this year for all the new mechanics they've added.

Hopefully these new mechanics do emphasize the difference between the playmaking receivers and the just-a-guys moreso than in the past, as in past Maddens they have indeed all played very similarly while not possessing the ball.