Madden NFL 16 E3 Gameplay Trailer

[JDBattleMC]

STILL looks terrible. Still looks not at all like real life.

[msdm27]

Look, I'm by no means a game designer, but I swear to baby jeebuz that changing/fixing shoe colors CAN NOT be more complicated than choosing Color 1 = Team's primary color (instead of black or white) Color 2 = Team secondary color, or black or white.

Is just one code, is not like they need to go and fix it on a per team basis! If that type of stuff requires some sort of long-winded resource allocation and a whole cycle to be fixed, then the ability of the design team has to be somewhat questioned.

Like, it is LITERALLY changing colors!!!!!

Back to gameplay though.... As everyone has said Blog > Trailer. My question is, JP has been boasting for the past two weeks about..... "attention to detail", "you guys will be blown away by the details", "blah blah" and then THIS? Is like they were suddenly told E3 was due in a couple of days and they had to put a trailer together with old stuff; makes no sense imo and shows very poor preparation.

I'd also be very interested in hearing how far back they went with their research on penalties on a per player basis.. pretty sure there is a lot of variance in that regard from year to year. Can't really think of many players (other than Brandon Browner) that are known for and have a clear tendency for penalties; probably some OT's that hold too often?

Graphics wise, I think the game actually looks good, if you manage to see past all the unnecessary buttons on the screen

[Sheba2011]

It doesn't really matter what EA showed today there would still be people here saying it looks terrible and they won't buy it. Personally the trailer did little for me but the blogs were huge!

One question I have about the trailer. Is finally the year that the trend of horrible commentary comes to an end? No more Dr. Robot Nantz and Phil Simms with his 45 minutes soliloquies that last an entire half to describe one play? One can only hope...

[Sheba2011]

Quote: Originally Posted by msdm27

Look, I'm by no means a game designer, but I swear to baby jeebuz that changing/fixing shoe colors CAN NOT be more complicated than choosing Color 1 = Team's primary color (instead of black or white) Color 2 = Team secondary color, or black or white. Is just one code, is not like they need to go and fix it on a per team basis! If that type of stuff requires some sort of long-winded resource allocation and a whole cycle to be fixed, then the ability of the design team has to be somewhat questioned. Like, it is LITERALLY changing colors!!!!! Back to gameplay though.... As everyone has said Blog > Trailer. My question is, JP has been boasting for the past two weeks about..... "attention to detail", "you guys will be blown away by the details", "blah blah" and then THIS? Is like they were suddenly told E3 was due in a couple of days and they had to put a trailer together with old stuff; makes no sense imo and shows very poor preparation. I'd also be very interested in hearing how far back they went with their research on penalties on a per player basis.. pretty sure there is a lot of variance in that regard from year to year. Can't really think of many players (other than Brandon Browner) that are known for and have a clear tendency for penalties; probably some OT's that hold too often? Graphics wise, I think the game actually looks good, if you manage to see past all the unnecessary buttons on the screen

To be fair to JP he never said the trailer would be the be all, end all, he kept saying wait till more info is revealed at E3 about the game play. And immediately following the press conference 3 blogs were posted that show just how much the gameplay has improved. At least on paper. Trailers for E3 are often meant to show only one feature of gameplay, especially when you only have 2-5 minutes to present your game. The big shots at EA probably told them get that ODB (cover guy) catch in the trailer.

As for penalties there are several websites that track player penalties from year to year, I would think they used one of these to determine the player ratings. Based on the Football Database these were the most penalized players for 2014:

1. Demar Doston - 14
2. Brandon Browner - 13
3. Bashaud Breeland - 12
4. Willie Colon - 12
5. Buster Skrine - 12
6. Michael Bennett - 12

I would think they would use these numbers (or ones from the other sites) as a starting point and come out with average for a guys career based on games played. DB's and OL tend to be the highest offenders on these lists.

[msdm27]

Quote: Originally Posted by Sheba2011

To be fair to JP he never said the trailer would be the be all, end all, he kept saying wait till more info is revealed at E3 about the game play. And immediately following the press conference 3 blogs were posted that show just how much the gameplay has improved. At least on paper. Trailers for E3 are often meant to show only one feature of gameplay, especially when you only have 2-5 minutes to present your game. The big shots at EA probably told them get that ODB (cover guy) catch in the trailer. As for penalties there are several websites that track player penalties from year to year, I would think they used one of these to determine the player ratings. Based on the Football Database these were the most penalized players for 2014: 1. Demar Doston - 14 2. Brandon Browner - 13 3. Bashaud Breeland - 12 4. Willie Colon - 12 5. Buster Skrine - 12 6. Michael Bennett - 12 I would think they would use these numbers (or ones from the other sites) as a starting point and come out with average for a guys career based on games played. DB's and OL tend to be the highest offenders on these lists.

Exactly as I thought, my point was: I hope they went back more than one season to collect their ratings. I'd imagine that list could look very different when looking at 2013 or 2012 data. Even though the names and positions on the list do seem to match general perception

Agree with your other statement about JP referring to info instead of gameplay. But it is still hard to understand how that trailer was conceived and expected to be well-received by the sim-community.

[Sheba2011]

Quote: Originally Posted by msdm27

Exactly as I thought, my point was: I hope they went back more than one season to collect their ratings. I'd imagine that list could look very different when looking at 2013 or 2012 data. Even though the names and positions on the list do seem to match general perception Agree with your other statement about JP referring to info instead of gameplay. But it is still hard to understand how that trailer was conceived and expected to be well-received by the sim-community.

The trailer was never designed or intended for the sim community. It's for the people who look at the ODB catch and say "OMFG they have that in their games!!!!!". It's for all the important casual gamer which is a much larger fanbase than our small community here. The blogs are what was for the sim community.

As for the penalty numbers they vary greatly each year for the most part due to injuries, suspensions, guys earning more or less playing time etc. Which is why they have to have some sort of average based on multiple users. My biggest issue is how will it work for new rookies in the game during a CFM, is it going to be random and is it something we can see before we draft a guy?

[jmurphy31]

Quote: Originally Posted by Sheba2011

The trailer was never designed or intended for the sim community. It's for the people who look at the ODB catch and say "OMFG they have that in their games!!!!!". It's for all the important casual gamer which is a much larger fanbase than our small community here. The blogs are what was for the sim community. As for the penalty numbers they vary greatly each year for the most part due to injuries, suspensions, guys earning more or less playing time etc. Which is why they have to have some sort of average based on multiple users. My biggest issue is how will it work for new rookies in the game during a CFM, is it going to be random and is it something we can see before we draft a guy?

I agree that trailer wasn't for the O'S type crowd, but the casual player who gets excited about the catch aren't watching e3. Save that for a commercial during the NBA finals. Listen to the first Microsoft presentation when they brought Peter Moore out. He mentions madden and he got a few golf claps. Nothing more.

I think EA could of satisfied both crowds, but I'm guessing (basing off JP'S claims that the game is different he played), the trailer is built off an earlier version of the game. Though I feel like u hear the same thing every year. GC'S say the version we played is different than E3, but when we get it it's similar. Then we hear how things had to be tuned or fixed or they couldn't get it in this cycle.

As I said before gameplay videos will show us alot. Usually ign has the clearest (not best played) demo of the game. Any idea when that is.

[Sheba2011]

Quote: Originally Posted by jmurphy31

I agree that trailer wasn't for the O'S type crowd, but the casual player who gets excited about the catch aren't watching e3. Save that for a commercial during the NBA finals. Listen to the first Microsoft presentation when they brought Peter Moore out. He mentions madden and he got a few golf claps. Nothing more. I think EA could of satisfied both crowds, but I'm guessing (basing off JP'S claims that the game is different he played), the trailer is built off an earlier version of the game. Though I feel like u hear the same thing every year. GC'S say the version we played is different than E3, but when we get it it's similar. Then we hear how things had to be tuned or fixed or they couldn't get it in this cycle. As I said before gameplay videos will show us alot. Usually ign has the clearest (not best played) demo of the game. Any idea when that is.

E3 actually doesn't start till Tuesday so that is when you will start to see gameplay videos popping up on websites. E3 is usually the only time I follow IGN, because they do usually have the best coverage. Outside of E3 I prefer Polygon.