Rory McIlroy PGA Tour Trailer - Chambers Bay

[DivotMaker]

Quote: Originally Posted by JODYE

Honestly, what golfer do you think is going to go through this whole process to get his likeness in the game, but then throw some sort of fit about having his swing mocapped? That is absurd to even think such a thing lol And you're telling me they can't have people come in and imitate swings? Or have top amateur guys come in and get theirs mocapped? Come on now. When referring to variations, I wasn't talking about getting all pros licensed. That is impossible, but trying to tell me they can't get 100 or so variations of golf swings in the game because of coding? That is laughable. This isn't like a football or a basketball game where there are literally thousands of physics based and contact related animations where players are interacting with one another in thousands of different ways and they all need to be coded individually. There are literally maybe 7-8 different types of swings a player may take that are absolutely necessary to capture. Driving, chipping, iron shot, putting, punch shot etc. I'd imagine with the technology, they could capture a lot of those relatively quickly. pietasterp brought up 2K, which is a great example. You can include the Show in there as well. They have had hundreds of different generic shot and stance animations for some time now. The fact that we don't have that option, in a game where your swing is probably the one thing that makes you unique, is just incredibly lazy to me. But as long as it is EA, this is the type of effort that we will see.

You mis-read my entire post. I never said the Pro's would throw a fit. Seriously? It is a logistics nightmare. It is time consuming. It is expensive. Has nothing to do with "coding".

So lets get generic Golfers mo-capped and call it a day by assigning them to the Pro's. Wrong answer. Not only would the Pro's object, but people in internet sports gaming forums would pick it apart and then call EA Sports liars. They do have generic swings mo-capped for the CAG's.

If I had to guess, they do have Rory, Jordan, and Rickie's swings mo-capped. Maybe more, maybe less. But when the user has control of that Pro, the swing will not be as fluid as the AI version of that swing with no user input.

[mike24forever]

Quote: Originally Posted by Barto

Why so many trees on the course EA Sports? Chambers Bay literally has 1 lone tree that overlooks Puget Sound, so why are there so many trees in the game?

There are trees all over the outskirts of the course. I'm watching Day hit right now and there are trees completely lining the horizon, just like the video. I think you jumped the gun there!

[JODYE]

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You mis-read my entire post. I never said the Pro's would throw a fit. Seriously? It is a logistics nightmare. It is time consuming. It is expensive. Has nothing to do with "coding".

Your implication was that due to the scheduling issues, that they would object to the process. Even though most these guys spend the time with EA for player modeling/photography etc. You know how many of these guys live and practice in Florida? It isn't as difficult as your making it out to be, especially when they are getting compensated for marginal work and are spreading that out over a years time or in this particular case, 2 years time.

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So lets get generic Golfers mo-capped and call it a day by assigning them to the Pro's. Wrong answer. Not only would the Pro's object, but people in internet sports gaming forums would pick it apart and then call EA Sports liars. They do have generic swings mo-capped for the CAG's.

Lol at this. First of all, no one said anything about assigning things to anyone. Also, to imply that for some reason or another the pros would be outraged about an imitated swing representing them in a video game, when assigning this generic BS to them now is much more egregious, is hilarious. EA is already called way worse things as it stands, so I'm sure they won't be too upset about being called liars.

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If I had to guess, they do have Rory, Jordan, and Rickie's swings mo-capped. Maybe more, maybe less. But when the user has control of that Pro, the swing will not be as fluid as the AI version of that swing with no user input.

This is an excuse for shoddy work. User control should effect the foundation that is put in place for each golfers swing, which as it stands currently, doesn't exist whatsoever.

[pietasterp]

I understand that assigning certain swings to pros might present a problem (extreme case: some actor comes in and models Jim Furyk's swing, that's gonna be pretty noticeable...), but similar to NBA2k, if you have some guys come in and just model a bunch of swings that are semi-generic but still marginally recognizable (e.g. upright-ish swing a-la Freddie Couples, flatter swing like Kuchar, smooth-like-butter Ernie Els like swing) that would be enough, I think. I mean, I feel like I should be able to create a right-handed player w/ a Mickelson-esque swing at a bare minimum. That shouldn't really present any problems.

But again, I would say that's down the list on my list of concerns w/ the game.

[sroz39]

One thing I do wish was in the game was what the last few iterations of the Xbox/PS2 era TW games had, which was create-a-swing. If they allowed us to edit players' golf swings like they allowed us to create our own back in the day, then that would solve alot of problems.

That said, this hardly makes or breaks the game for me but it'd be cool to see Jimenez's flat swing in contrast to a more traditional swing represented in the game.

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[JODYE]

In terms of what is wrong with this game, that certainly isn't anywhere near the top of most offensive.

However, the fact that such a basic thing can be omitted, while fantasy courses and cheesy arcade modes can be added shows how far EA is from "getting" what golf fans actually want in a video game.

[sroz39]

Quote: Originally Posted by JODYE

In terms of what is wrong with this game, that certainly isn't anywhere near the top of most offensive. However, the fact that such a basic thing can be omitted, while fantasy courses and cheesy arcade modes can be added shows how far EA is from "getting" what golf fans actually want in a video game.

There's more than one type of golf fan and although I don't see the appeal of the Night Club challenge or things like that, there is a market for it. Why would EA waste time on it if there wasn't? You can call EA whatever you want but one thing I think everyone can agree on is they know how to make money. So if there was no money to be made including some of the more "arcadey" elements, they wouldn't dedicate resources to doing so.

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[JODYE]

Quote: Originally Posted by sroz39

There's more than one type of golf fan and although I don't see the appeal of the Night Club challenge or things like that, there is a market for it. Why would EA waste time on it if there wasn't? You can call EA whatever you want but one thing I think everyone can agree on is they know how to make money. So if there was no money to be made including some of the more "arcadey" elements, they wouldn't dedicate resources to doing so. Sent from my Nexus 5 using Tapatalk

Judging by the severely declining sales of the series, I would say they have no idea what the market wants in regards to a golf game and they are certainly treating the fan base with the same regard that they have for the game itself.