Rory McIlroy PGA Tour Trailer - Chambers Bay

[pietasterp]

Quote: Originally Posted by sroz39

There's more than one type of golf fan and although I don't see the appeal of the Night Club challenge or things like that, there is a market for it. Why would EA waste time on it if there wasn't?

I have no idea, but my personal belief is that they're just mis-reading the market. Or it's backwards-to-forwards corporate strategy: figure out what you want (younger/wider demographic) and then come up with some way to get there (night club, arcade elements, etc.). The problem with that strategy is it presumes that there is a way to get from point A to point B, and that the people in charge of the production know the right way to get there.

Quote: Originally Posted by sroz39

You can call EA whatever you want but one thing I think everyone can agree on is they know how to make money. So if there was no money to be made including some of the more "arcadey" elements, they wouldn't dedicate resources to doing so.

They know how to make money as a company, sometimes...their share price is all over the map. But it's not clear they know how to monetize each and every one of their individual properties. To me, the fact that their golf series has taken a several year hiatus and is now coming back with all these features that are all over the map suggests to me that their golf titles are not particularly profitable. If it were a cash-cow, they'd never be able to afford taking a few years off between releases (imagine if there was a 2-3 year hiatus between Madden or FIFA games...).

[sroz39]

You can criticize how they went about it, but they tried to go more "sim" with 13 and 14 especially. Did they follow through? Was their presentation up to par? Could their Career mode have been better? The answers are somewhat, definitely not and probably. But they tried to make a more sim experience and the sales were worse than ever.

It's easy to see why they would market the arcade aspects as heavily as they have but if we're gonna be fair, let's remember that one of the first few blogs they released focused on the different types of swings in the game making this a game for everybody.

So yes, they're leaning a little more on the arcadey aspects now but it wasn't that way from the get go and it needs to be understood that the golf game genre is nowhere near lucrative enough to focus on just sim or just casual...it needs to have a little bit for everyone. Which it seems this one will.

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[DivotMaker]

Quote: Originally Posted by JODYE

Judging by the severely declining sales of the series, I would say they have no idea what the market wants in regards to a golf game and they are certainly treating the fan base with the same regard that they have for the game itself.

They went full bore with a Simulation mode in TW14 and sales tanked the worst they have seen in the Tiger series. They spent the most they ever have in licensing for TW14 and what did it get them....a commercial failure. So I disagree with yours and others comments that they don't know what the market wants. RM has features that WE don't want, but that is hardly representative of what "the Golf videogame market" wants.

[DivotMaker]

Quote: Originally Posted by pietasterp

They know how to make money as a company, sometimes...their share price is all over the map. But it's not clear they know how to monetize each and every one of their individual properties. To me, the fact that their golf series has taken a several year hiatus and is now coming back with all these features that are all over the map suggests to me that their golf titles are not particularly profitable. If it were a cash-cow, they'd never be able to afford taking a few years off between releases (imagine if there was a 2-3 year hiatus between Madden or FIFA games...).

Golf games are a niche' market and not very profitable TODAY. Ten to fifteen years ago, they were, but only because they reached a very wide audience and well before other titles took up the mainstream mindset of what to play. IMO, if I were in charge of RM, I would make the game with two very distinct interfaces. Arcade in one. Simulation in the other and flesh out the very best features for both. Then again, who knows what the budget is for RM and what is doable and what is not.

[DivotMaker]

Quote: Originally Posted by JODYE

Your implication was that due to the scheduling issues, that they would object to the process. Even though most these guys spend the time with EA for player modeling/photography etc. You know how many of these guys live and practice in Florida? It isn't as difficult as your making it out to be, especially when they are getting compensated for marginal work and are spreading that out over a years time or in this particular case, 2 years time. Lol at this. First of all, no one said anything about assigning things to anyone. Also, to imply that for some reason or another the pros would be outraged about an imitated swing representing them in a video game, when assigning this generic BS to them now is much more egregious, is hilarious. EA is already called way worse things as it stands, so I'm sure they won't be too upset about being called liars. This is an excuse for shoddy work. User control should effect the foundation that is put in place for each golfers swing, which as it stands currently, doesn't exist whatsoever.

Since we can't seem to reach a consensus on anything without taking things out of context completely, I'll simply agree to disagree with you. One question for you....have you ever worked with or spoken with anyone at Tiburon regarding their Golf titles?

[JODYE]

Quote: Originally Posted by DivotMaker

They went full bore with a Simulation mode in TW14 and sales tanked the worst they have seen in the Tiger series. They spent the most they ever have in licensing for TW14 and what did it get them....a commercial failure. So I disagree with yours and others comments that they don't know what the market wants. RM has features that WE don't want, but that is hardly representative of what "the Golf videogame market" wants.

You don't think this had anything to do with the fact that they already alienated their fanbase by creating an asinine DLC strucutre for content that would have previously been included for free and charging an arm and a leg for it?

I think that is quite naive if you actually believe the above.

When you are trying to bring consumers back to your game, you don't gouge them for every dollar you can get. Just as you don't raise taxes in a recession. Simple economics.

[DivotMaker]

Quote: Originally Posted by JODYE

You don't think this had anything to do with the fact that they already alienated their fanbase by creating an asinine DLC strucutre for content that would have previously been included for free and charging an arm and a leg for it? I think that is quite naive if you actually believe the above. When you are trying to bring consumers back to your game, you don't gouge them for every dollar you can get. Just as you don't raise taxes in a recession. Simple economics.

Never mind, I am done here. Pretty obvious your disdain for EA is so ingrained that having an objective conversation is going to be out of the question. Carry on with your criticisms as we obviously see things VERY differently.

[JODYE]

So they didn't do that to people who bought the game the last 3 years?

But I always love the ole, "I have nothing legitimate to contribute so I'm going to point to your hidden agenda as the reason that we can't discuss further" angle, even though I bought this game faithfully from 2001 until 2 years ago. Only rented the last 2.

You're right. I'll live in reality, and you live in a fantasy land where EA actually has the gamers best interest in mind. That is rich indeed.