NBA 2K16 Player Ratings - Top Rated Point Guards (UPDATED)

[Mauer4MVP]

Quote: Originally Posted by 8KB24

Don't tell stats guys that. Don't tell them the game is played on court.

Why is Rose being cautious, though? Can his body take his style when he isn't being cautious?

You can't just assume he's automatically going back to 2011.

People that dismiss stats are just hilarious.

[Hopsin]

Quote: Originally Posted by Mauer4MVP

Why is Rose being cautious, though? Can his body take his style when he isn't being cautious? You can't just assume he's automatically going back to 2011. People that dismiss stats are just hilarious.

Why is he being cautious? Maybe bc he has a injury history problem? & I never said stats don't matter, but you can't just look at stats without watching actual games.

[Mauer4MVP]

Quote: Originally Posted by Hopsin

Why is he being cautious? Maybe bc he has a injury history problem? & I never said stats don't matter, but you can't just look at stats without watching actual games.

That's exactly my point. How do you know he won't be cautious this season?

[dmankey1]

Was Cameron Payne released anywhere?

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[jcwkings]

In general PG ratings are fine. My only gripe is Russell is way too high. As of now he looks like Kendall Marshall with a better 3 pt shot, and he is a one way player to boot. Should be 74-75 like Mudiaye and thats being generous because he was the #2 pick.

[joenuts83]

Quote: Originally Posted by King_B_Mack

Reading through this thread is brutal. D-Rose is getting slandered hard in here by people that clearly didn't watch a whole lot of Bulls games last year as opposed to looking at box scores.

my point exactly. who is the only PG to win in Oracle from the east in the regular season. all while destroying chef curry with a jimmyless bulls team. what point guard went 4 and 0 against lowry and 3 and 1 against wall. he beat Lillard parker and harden on their court too.

he beat cp3 at home too past season....

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[Sundown]

Quote: Originally Posted by Rashidi

Those players are all wings. Each position gets dunks in different ways. Team schemes don't play that much of a factor here. He started playing SG (i.e. off the ball), for one.

Livingston plays PG, and he doesn't primarily play off ball for the Warriors. He's primary ball handler in the second unit unless he's in a 3-guard lineup for spot minutes, which wasn't his main role for most of the regular season.

Livingston is a PG that gets dunks despite lost athleticism because of a fast paced, transition offense and his own length.

Let's look at a few more examples. Patrick Beverley is a pretty athletic guard. He even plays off ball which you suggest should help dunks. He has 4 dunks to his entire Career. Ty Lawson has been one of the quickest guards his career. He has 11 to his name, ever. Steph Curry has 4 dunks just this season and 14 for his career. Is Curry really better athletically than either Lawson or Beverley?

Come on, man. Dunks are a noisy and arbitrary measure for athleticism, period. Much better measures would be combine measurements or SportsVu data. And pretty odd that you would say that schemes don't affect dunk numbers. Pace directly affects numbers of possessions as does offensive efficiency. Transition offenses and ability to create live turnovers lead to higher dunk numbers.

Just look at GSW. They were #2 in the league in dunks last year. No one is jumping out of the building on that team even though they are all long and athletic enough. Not-so-coincidentally, they were also the #2 offense last year and #1 in pace.

With roughly the same roster just the year before, GSW was #12 in offense and #6 in pace. Not so suprisingly, they also dropped to #6 in dunks.

We can see that there is likely stronger correlation between coaching, offenses, pace, and length of players to dunk totals than there is justification to say one player is definitively more athletic than the other based on noisy dunk data from a position that typically has the smallest sample to work with in the first place.

Now there's obviously SOME not-insignificant correlation between verticality, speed and number of dunks, but length factors in heavily as well. There are so many other factors that I've never actually seen dunk numbers quoted alone before as a conclusive case for comparing athleticism in serious basketball discussion.

[8KB24]

Quote: Originally Posted by MGSW

Why do you have to be one or the other? I've never understood that position. It's just flat out ignorance. The only way to make an informed decision is to take in ALL available information and form a decision then. So to ignore all metrics and stats is just as ignorant as those who rely solely on them. They're just as bad as each other.

I love stats and analytics as much as the next guy...but I gotta know how players achieved these stats.