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[Big FN Deal]

Quote: Originally Posted by mrprice33

Based on what though? Serious question. If the guy who was hired specifically to work on equipment comes in the thread and tells you exactly why it's not in the game but that he wants to do it, then what reason is there for it to "just be there by now," other than a (frankly) arbitrary line of demarcation that some people have chosen to draw in the sand with regards to this game?

With "just be there by now" meaning, as some pics posted after my post demonstrate, it's a realistic general cosmetic aesthetic, that has no technical, licensing (like tattoos), etc reason for being left out, so given that how long Madden's been on these consoles, it's reasonable that it should have made the checklist by now.

To the specific point about the reason given, I already explained in my previous post, I'm not referring to animated mouthpieces, which it seems to me Kane was, I'm referring to cosmetic mouthpieces.

So let me seriously ask you, what's your general point, that they're not in so move on, no need in discussing it or having an opinion it?

[PVarck31]

Quote: Originally Posted by Big FN Deal

With "just be there by now" meaning, as some pics posted after my post demonstrate, it's a realistic general cosmetic aesthetic, that has no technical, licensing (like tattoos), etc reason for being left out, so given that how long Madden's been on these consoles, it's reasonable that it should have made the checklist by now. To the specific point about the reason given, I already explained in my previous post, I'm not referring to animated mouthpieces, which it seems to me Kane was, I'm referring to cosmetic mouthpieces. So let me seriously ask you, what's your general point, that they're not in so move on, no need in discussing it or having an opinion it?

I mean what more can you do? They're not in. They aren't gonna be in this year. They know we want them in. No sense harping on it forever. The horse has been beaten, there's nothing left of it.

Regardless of the reason, it's not happening this year.

So we can go two ways. We can continue to post page after page asking why they can't put them in, why they don't think they are a priority, calling devs lazy, and so on and so forth. This all leads to nonconstructive posts, and potential bans.

If you can't let it go here, then get on twitter and pester the developers to your hearts content. I'm sure you (everyone, not directed at you) will get blocked.

Or we can move on. Discuss other things, get back to a less toxic discussion.

I think its time we moved on. I think everything that can be said has been said.

[bloobloouk]

Quote: Originally Posted by Big FN Deal

With "just be there by now" meaning, as some pics posted after my post demonstrate, it's a realistic general cosmetic aesthetic, that has no technical, licensing (like tattoos), etc reason for being left out, so given that how long Madden's been on these consoles, it's reasonable that it should have made the checklist by now. To the specific point about the reason given, I already explained in my previous post, I'm not referring to animated mouthpieces, which it seems to me Kane was, I'm referring to cosmetic mouthpieces. So let me seriously ask you, what's your general point, that they're not in so move on, no need in discussing it or having an opinion it?

I don;t think Kane was referring to the animated mouth pieces you were talking about (which sounded pretty damn cool!), but the standard cosmetic ones.

My best guess is that the face scans are causing an issue with creating a mounting point for accessories, due to the fact that the mouth moves.

[Big FN Deal]

Quote: Originally Posted by PVarck31

I mean what more can you do? They're not in. They aren't gonna be in this year. They know we want them in. No sense harping on it forever. The horse has been beaten, there's nothing left of it. Regardless of the reason, it's not happening this year. So we can go two ways. We can continue to post page after page asking why they can't put them in, why they don't think they are a priority, calling devs lazy, and so on and so forth. This all leads to nonconstructive posts, and potential bans. If you can't let it go here, then get on twitter and pester the developers to your hearts content. I'm sure you (everyone, not directed at you) will get blocked. Or we can move on. Discuss other things, get back to a less toxic discussion. I think its time we moved on. I think everything that can be said has been said.

I can understand the point but it's unfortunate that any discussion ever turns toxic. There are plenty of discussions on OS and in this forum that if I have grown tired of, feel like have run their course, are pointless or I have no interest in, I just ignore or remove myself from them. I'm not directing that at you obviously, you have a job to do, I just meant that in regard to the average poster and avoiding issues.

As far as mouthpieces go, I'm now trying to understand what exactly Kane was saying about the mouths move. Did he mean in Madden or was he saying in general?

[SolidSquid]

Quote: Originally Posted by Big FN Deal

I can understand the point but it's unfortunate that any discussion ever turns toxic. There are plenty of discussions on OS and in this forum that if I have grown tired of, feel like have run their course, are pointless or I have no interest in, I just ignore or remove myself from them. I'm not directing that at you obviously, you have a job to do, I just meant that in regard to the average poster and avoiding issues. As far as mouthpieces go, I'm now trying to understand what exactly Kane was saying about the mouths move. Did he mean in Madden or was he saying in general?

I wouldn't be surprised if he meant for cut scenes.

[bloobloouk]

Quote: Originally Posted by Big FN Deal

I can understand the point but it's unfortunate that any discussion ever turns toxic. There are plenty of discussions on OS and in this forum that if I have grown tired of, feel like have run their course, are pointless or I have no interest in, I just ignore or remove myself from them. I'm not directing that at you obviously, you have a job to do, I just meant that in regard to the average poster and avoiding issues. As far as mouthpieces go, I'm now trying to understand what exactly Kane was saying about the mouths move. Did he mean in Madden or was he saying in general?

Some players faces can move due to their "Face Poser" features. I think that is what he's referring to.
http://www.sbnation.com/2014/8/25/60...game-making-of

Brady facial movement video - http://www.tubechop.com/watch/8030383

[DeuceDouglas]

Quote: Originally Posted by bloobloouk

Some players faces can move due to their "Face Poser" features. I think that is what he's referring to. http://www.sbnation.com/2014/8/25/60...game-making-of

I wonder if we'll see the JJ Watt style elbow brace from that article in this year.

[mrprice33]

Quote: Originally Posted by Big FN Deal

With "just be there by now" meaning, as some pics posted after my post demonstrate, it's a realistic general cosmetic aesthetic, that has no technical, licensing (like tattoos), etc reason for being left out, so given that how long Madden's been on these consoles, it's reasonable that it should have made the checklist by now. To the specific point about the reason given, I already explained in my previous post, I'm not referring to animated mouthpieces, which it seems to me Kane was, I'm referring to cosmetic mouthpieces. So let me seriously ask you, what's your general point, that they're not in so move on, no need in discussing it or having an opinion it?

So when you say cosmetic/animated, you still mean the larger mouthguard type, right? Because those can't be added cosmetically. That's the point. They have to move with the player's head and mouth. Otherwise you sacrifice that tech for mouthguards. And again, this is where we come down to choices.

I think the thing I'm trying to get across most with my posts is that everything that happens in development has a choice and a consequence. If you do thing X, you might lose thing Y, or thing X might keep you from doing thing Y. When they decided to do face scanning and mouth movement, along with animated helmets, it made other things much more difficult, such as adding mouthguards, as one example.

It's just like the CFM thread where people are talking about custom draft classes and lamenting how 2K has had them and Madden hasn't. That's because of the draft stories feature. They have to use generated rookies in order to generate draft stories, which is a thing 2K doesn't have at all. Now, there's probably a middle, and I can't say whether or not they'll ever hit it, but that's the basic reasoning behind not having custom, shareable draft classes. So to add custom draft classes would lose a big part of CFM immersion, which isn't a choice they want to make.