Madden NFL 17 Screenshot Featuring Under Armour and Adidas

[Big FN Deal]

Quote: Originally Posted by mrprice33

They'll be actual physics objects in the game world. Able to dangle, move, get jostled, etc. Like I said in another post on this topic, you'd have to be able to ensure that you can render 22 independent physics objects without sacrificing AI or performance, and you'd have to justify that work for something that not many people will ever see or notice. That's a really tall order. Don't get me wrong, it would look real cool, and I would be impressed by it. I want them to be in there, for sure, but at a certain point, the reality is the reality.

See that goes to my point I just made, their choices. Sure having mouth accessories like that, have physics, etc would be cool but it's valid to question/discuss, why have none until then. This also goes back to one of my original points about how what you describes actually becomes a feature, which requires way more time and resources than a cosmetic place holder, for lack of a better word.

I'm of the mindset, at least for cosmetic additions, that it would seem better to invest time and resources into customization features/tools for the community vs devs adding in individual elements. Make some of version of the devs tools for these things available to the community in-game and let them collectively do on their own time, what would likely take a dev team on a limited cycle much longer to accomplish.

[OhMrHanky]

Quote: Originally Posted by SolidSquid

There's a reason they no longer use that motto.

Lol. Man, that's too funny. I think about the motto every time I see something 'off' in the game. Lol. And, yeah, I think they realized at some point they weren't living up to their motto. That includes NBA live, I believe, too, though. I haven't played their hockey game in forever. FIFA may be the only EA sports title that could still use it. I actually play Fifa online and quite enjoy it. No 'nano blitzes' in soccer. Lol.


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[mrprice33]

Quote: Originally Posted by SolidSquid

Well said. We havnt seen mouth guards since the jump to PS3/360. I know they didn't add facial animation and mouth movement until late into that console cycle and that's what bothers me. It seems everything they can't do now is bc of the lack of direction earlier.

I've always looked at yearly sports titles, ironically (or not, as it were), like a sports team. Let's say you root for the Timberwolves. A few years back, David Khan passes on Steph Curry for Jonny Flynn. David Khan mishandled the Kevin Love situation. The team was rudderless and bad.

Now, they have one of the most exciting young teams in basketball, under a new GM and new coach. Can you really hold what happened a decade ago against this current iteration of the team? Is the fact that they were terrible under Khan in any way relevant to their abilities now?

In most cases, no. Yeah, there was a bad transition from PS2/Xbox to 360/PS3. Everyone knows it. No one denies it. But I don't really think anyone from that team is still working on the game. It's been 10 years. Since then, there have been a lot of different approaches to getting the game back to where it was. They've gone through a handful of creative directors, a new lead at the studio, heck, 3 CEOs of EA as a company just in the past 6 years or so.

The point is there's been a lot of change, and a lot of good things brought to the game, and, based on what we know so far, they've added some huge, sim elements to the game. Of course, it's not there yet, just as the Timberwolves won't go 82-0 (or even make the playoffs), but there's certainly been progress. So you can choose. You can choose to support the situation now, or you can choose not to. Ultimately, it's your 60 bucks to do with what you wish.

[jpdavis82]

I don't think I'm alone on this, I would much rather have accurate face scans without mouthpieces than artists renderings with them. Eventually we can have both but until then I'm ok.


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[mrprice33]

Quote: Originally Posted by Big FN Deal

See that goes to my point I just made, their choices. Sure having mouth accessories like that, have physics, etc would be cool but it's valid to question/discuss, why have none until then. This also goes back to one of my original points about how what you describes actually becomes a feature, which requires way more time and resources than a cosmetic place holder, for lack of a better word. I'm of the mindset, at least for cosmetic additions, that it would seem better to invest time and resources into customization features/tools for the community vs devs adding in individual elements. Make some of version of the devs tools for these things available to the community in-game and let them collectively do on their own time, what would likely take a dev team on a limited cycle much longer to accomplish.

Right, but again, we both know a cosmetic placeholder would get ripped to shreds on here. Either do it right and don't do it at all.

And no, there would never be a situation where the dev tools are made available online. First off there's no vehicle or tech by which to re-introduce elements back into the game, and secondly, the tech in Madden is proprietary, and they're a publicly traded company. That's protected IP that would be irresponsible to let loose.

[SageInfinite]

Quote: Originally Posted by SolidSquid

Well said. We havnt seen mouth guards since the jump to PS3/360. I know they didn't add facial animation and mouth movement until late into that console cycle and that's what bothers me. It seems everything they can't do now is bc of the lack of direction earlier.

The facial animation was in fact in Madden 06 on Xbox 360. Their mouths moved and had animations like they were discussing things.

[Big FN Deal]

Quote: Originally Posted by mrprice33

Right, but again, we both know a cosmetic placeholder would get ripped to shreds on here. Either do it right and don't do it at all. And no, there would never be a situation where the dev tools are made available online. First off there's no vehicle or tech by which to re-introduce elements back into the game, and secondly, the tech in Madden is proprietary, and they're a publicly traded company. That's protected IP that would be irresponsible to let loose.

LOL, it's funny how things get misunderstood on a message board, no biggie. I didn't mean actual dev tools, poor choice of words by me, I just meant a deep customization feature or tool the community could use to edit/create cosmetics they feel are missing.

Agree to disagree about doing it right or not at all, at least in regard to something like this. I think for something like this, as well as something like generic tattoos, people that notice this stuff would rather have something than nothing at all, even if that something isn't all tricked out yet. Another thing with place holders in an area like this is, I think it might help to get things prioritized sooner because, often out of sight out of mind.

[SageInfinite]

I know everyone in this thread would definitely rather have something than have nothing. This is Tiburons game/art, and they'll do what they see fit, and make the best decisions they can for themselves as a dev team. All we can try to do is let them know how we feel about it....