NBA 2K17 Screenshot - 1992 Dream Team with Charles Barkley

[MarkWilliam]

Quote: Originally Posted by King_B_Mack

Just based on various tidbits we've gotten from game developers over the years, I would assume that there is some sort of work involved more than just taking the previous face data and loading it on the new game. They didn't ever scan faces of the legends at all, those assets were created for each specific year I believe. Not a developer either so I'm just guessing like you lol. But I think particularly the faces they used on the old gen consoles would certainly have to be completely redone since they were designed for completely different tech.

Makes sense to me (also not a dev haha)...... but if they made MJ in 2K11 from scratch so well, how come they can't do it again on current gen?


To me its a question of effort right? And sure, they maybe wanna worry about other things, I get that..... but here we now have a 92 Dream Team with a great Pip and Clyde..... but the same ugly MJ? Haha..... just doesn't make sense to me.


I don't want to come across as whining - I do appreciate that these guys are in the game...... but if you're gonna promote the 92 Dream Team, surely it could be on the list of priorities to update MJ at the same time?


Unless 2K think this MJ is good.....

[VDusen04]

Quote: Originally Posted by MarkWilliam

Makes sense to me (also not a dev haha)...... but if they made MJ in 2K11 from scratch so well, how come they can't do it again on current gen? To me its a question of effort right? And sure, they maybe wanna worry about other things, I get that..... but here we now have a 92 Dream Team with a great Pip and Clyde..... but the same ugly MJ? Haha..... just doesn't make sense to me. I don't want to come across as whining - I do appreciate that these guys are in the game...... but if you're gonna promote the 92 Dream Team, surely it could be on the list of priorities to update MJ at the same time? Unless 2K think this MJ is good.....

Totally playing devil's advocate, but maybe Jordan would look a small touch better in that screenshot if he weren't caught in the middle of one of those freakish smile mechanics situations. Then again, looking at his other features, not just the mouth, I'm not convinced he's been cleaned up.

My only other thought was that maybe he'd be updated prior to launch. I understand, based off of recent 2K's, that classic players being updated accurately may not crack the list of things most likely to happen. But there was a time (2K11) when 2K seemed to be taking feedback and tweaking graphical mix-ups with classic players really late in the development cycle as a means of achieving perfection.

Anyone remember the tongue issue? When MJ's was purple at first before 2K touched things up prior to release?



Edit: Actually, reading through the old thread, 2K had fixed that tongue before even releasing that screenshot, so not exactly an example of feedback-and-fix. Either way, they were still going the extra mile with the classics at that point and it showed.

The thread: http://www.operationsports.com/forum...creenshot.html

[xman2k]

The dedication to MJ & the legends and 2k11 put 2k on the map. Shame that it's been a few iterations on such powerful consoles and the legends are just not up to par and have taken a back seat whereas last gen almost every classic player felt as they really played.

[daveberg]

I think the issue is with the explosion of 'story' type modes like the Spike Lee kind of stuff - 2k seems to invest their time and money more into elements like that as it perhaps covers a broader target audience.

The issue with the legends, is that it's almost a 'niche' market.

I know people have been against this, as it's a money pit, but I'd happily shell out coin to 2k for them to update and produce more classic team options - hell, even a stand alone game itself, dedicated to classic NBA gaming. I'd buy that in a heart beat.

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Going back to MJ - I think over all, where we made a push with this thread last year, his visuals were actually improved some. If you do a comparison between 15 and 16, I think there's a difference.

This picture below that was released before 2k15 dropped made me die inside:

[daveberg]

Ok, honestly, please tell me if I'm going mad, but does the 2k13 Dream Team look BETTER than 2k17...??

Looks like more work and detailing on the 2k13 models, or am I just reaching now?

[23]

Quote: Originally Posted by daveberg

The issue with the legends, is that it's almost a 'niche' market.

Maybe, but there is money to be made there.

The problem is they don't get any attention and seem kind of like a throw in (although da czar and OG implemented some old school offenses and defenses, they've been more than halfway ignored everywhere else.)


The thing about legends as Da Czar used to try to tell some of the kids who said 'who cares about legends'

His answer was, today's stars are tomorrows legends... and he was right..

You have Iverson gone now, McGrady gone, kobe is gone, Pierce about to be gone, Duncan gone, Vince will be gone soon as well as KG, Ray Allen is gone, Wade won't be in the league more than another 3 years, and the list is growing, and now those same kids are faced with never seeing those guys again.

NOW it probably makes sense to them.

Quote:

I know people have been against this, as it's a money pit, but I'd happily shell out coin to 2k for them to update and produce more classic team options - hell, even a stand alone game itself, dedicated to classic NBA gaming. I'd buy that in a heart beat.

We've said this for many years only to fall on deaf ears. Too bad but even the ability to create that stuff, as the modders have done on PC over the years would help.

[MarkWilliam]

Quote: Originally Posted by daveberg

I think the issue is with the explosion of 'story' type modes like the Spike Lee kind of stuff - 2k seems to invest their time and money more into elements like that as it perhaps covers a broader target audience. The issue with the legends, is that it's almost a 'niche' market. I know people have been against this, as it's a money pit, but I'd happily shell out coin to 2k for them to update and produce more classic team options - hell, even a stand alone game itself, dedicated to classic NBA gaming. I'd buy that in a heart beat. .................................................. .. Going back to MJ - I think over all, where we made a push with this thread last year, his visuals were actually improved some. If you do a comparison between 15 and 16, I think there's a difference. This picture below that was released before 2k15 dropped made me die inside:

This. THIS. THIS. THIS. ^^^^^^


Seconded. Sorry I had to.

[MarkWilliam]

Quote: Originally Posted by daveberg

Ok, honestly, please tell me if I'm going mad, but does the 2k13 Dream Team look BETTER than 2k17...?? Looks like more work and detailing on the 2k13 models, or am I just reaching now?

I get what you're saying. My personal view is that I can stretch it and get on board with the 2K17 version IF;


a); They fix MJ and Bird
b): The all have a fair few signature animations each to give each player a unique type look/feel


It may sounds crazy, but I'd make peace with the others if the above 2 points happened.


But yes, I do see what you're getting at. And it possibly ties in with your point about how they sink time and money into the "mainstream" stuff..... maybe 2K13 allowed a bit more time to work on the legends......


I'm sure Jay Z would've put in hundreds of hours in the lab that year......