The Return of Formation Subs in Madden NFL 17

[Culture Rot]

Take off the restrictions off of us. Remove the cuffs EA Sports, PLEASE!

[mrprice33]

So I got my answer. The form subs get erased when you switch to a new playbook in the coach schemes menu. So if you are using a custom playbook you will want to first find a coach's playbook that is as close as possible on the formation side. You'd be able to add in as many plays as you want to those formations and they'll stick, but any formations not included in the coach playbook will not be able to have Form Subs attached.

[jeremym480]

Quote: Originally Posted by mrprice33

So I got my answer. The form subs get erased when you switch to a new playbook in the coach schemes menu. So if you are using a custom playbook you will want to first find a coach's playbook that is as close as possible on the formation side. You'd be able to add in as many plays as you want to those formations and they'll stick, but any formations not included in the coach playbook will not be able to have Form Subs attached.

Do you know if using these new formation subs will mess up the "on the fly subs" similar to how in-game formations subs did in the past?

[mrprice33]

Quote: Originally Posted by jeremym480

Do you know if using these new formation subs will mess up the "on the fly subs" similar to how in-game formations subs did in the past?

No idea....

[Steve_Montana]

Great (re)addition. However with the rise of "tweeners", safeties who play cornerback, safety and linebacker(bucannon of the cardinals is an example), why the exclusion of the ability to play safeties at linebacker?

[BadAssHskr]

Quote: Originally Posted by mrprice33

So I got my answer. The form subs get erased when you switch to a new playbook in the coach schemes menu. So if you are using a custom playbook you will want to first find a coach's playbook that is as close as possible on the formation side. You'd be able to add in as many plays as you want to those formations and they'll stick, but any formations not included in the coach playbook will not be able to have Form Subs attached.

Thanks for finding that out. Just to be clear, that will eliminate using the "generic" playbooks, such as "Run N Gun", etc, or will the rules stated apply to them as well?


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Anyhow, this is outstanding of EA to give us, they've really gotten their stuff together these past years with everything they've done for M16, and jumping out early being awesome with M17.

I don't always go to as great as depth with my subs as some of you, but there are obvious moves i like to make in situations, and formations, and this will allow that.

[Hooe]

Quote: Originally Posted by bucky60

But it is not silly to hold a company accountable for past decisions.

The people who made that decision have been gone for years. Holding the current dev team accountable for a decision made literally a decade ago by completely different people feels a little misplaced to me? It feels like one is looking for a reason to get angry about the thing.

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The guy was right, being able to save formation subs should not have been removed

Again, the current team was responsible for this decision, how? It's been a decade since Madden 06. That's an eternity in software development. You with your career experience must know this.

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and it should not have taken anywhere near this long to add back.

Quote: Originally Posted by bucky60

I've been in software development for over 35 years. I know how coding works. It should not have taken anywhere near this long.

Fine, but you misunderstand, however, how video game development and video game project management works.

It was never a coding issue. That formation subs didn't get back into the game sooner is rather a consequence of reasonable project management decisions in the realm of creative video game design on an aggressive deadline.

The problem was never "the code monkeys are inept and can't do it". The problem was always "we have a zillion other things to do this cycle to deliver a shippable game, and formation subs doesn't add enough total value to the most users of our creative product to fit on our very aggressive development relative to other features we are making, so we have to cut it to focus our limited resources on those other things". The only difference is that formation subs survived feature cuts this time around. That's it.

Sometimes when you're making a video game on a deadline you have to make tough decisions. If you've ever worked on a software project or creative endeavor with a tight deadline, you can surely relate.

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I am very glad that saving formation subs is back.

On this we are agreed.

[SolidSquid]

Quote: Originally Posted by Black Bruce Wayne

putting DBS at linebacker is definitely a exploit.

Putting your number one wr in the slot is also an exploit since there's no defensive match ups