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CWSapp757 · 09-15-2017, 04:05 AM

2k18 is here ladies and gentlemen and with that comes another edition of our Good, Bad and Ugly thread. I considered not doing it this year but I have to remember that each year we find something that is a little concerning or needs to be addressed so I figure why not raise some awareness as soon as possible. We will look at a few of the basic aspects of MyLeague and discuss what they got right, what they got wrong and what we are just straight up disappointed about. Speaking of disappointment, first up is newly added GLeague:

GLeague
Well the catch here is that there isn’t one. Let me explain. When I started the mode I expected to see a list of players that were already on my NBA squads GLeague team. I know that they said that we wouldn’t be able to play the games but I still thought that there would be rosters that we could manage while the CPU simulated the game. Not quite. If you already knew this you can skip to the next section but I was shocked to see that the Gleague isn’t actually a league but just an individual option for players. You still are limited to your 15 man roster (actually I think it is more but only if you have a player that has a contact overseas) and you simply have the option to send a player to the GLeague or call him up. If he is sent to the GLeague, you can check his stats in the “GLeague stats” menu but that’s it. No roster, no standings, no GLeague MVP. None of that. Although it is a pretty cool option I would have loved to see them have full rosters where undrafted and lower drafted players could go since most of them sit in free agency for a year and retire anyway to make room for the next 150 rookies coming into the game. Also disappointing is that it didn’t appear to have any effect on their progression either as rookies that didn’t get sent down and got little to no playing time still saw dramatic jumps in their overalls. Missed opportunity here but maybe next year.

MY LEAGUE AWARDS
This year I only listed awards after the first year and the sixth year. Those players can be found below. My biggest issue was a 34 year old Russell Westbrook winning his fourth MVP in six years. Not saying it can’t happen, but just something to look at. Also, most of the winners are players that are all real life players but that’s a recurring issue that we will address in a little.

MY LEAGUE STATS
Always an important section of this post. Once again I only took a look at the stats at the end of year 1 and at the end of the sixth year. I don’t see much problem with the stats at the end of the first year and honestly have to give 2k props on making steals more realistic. Last year there were guys averaging over 4 steals a game which is honestly not very realistic if you look at real life stats as of late. Blocks also seemed to have gotten a bit of an adjustment. Moving in to the future, I noticed a couple of things. First, most of the usual suspects were still there in the top 15 which I understand, but you would think with the high rated/high potential rookies coming in (we will get to that too), that more of those guys would be present especially in points per game. It appears that once again, tendencies will be an issue as some of these higher rated players with good scoring ratings simply aren’t shooting the ball. There was one beastly shooting guard generated player with an overall in the 90s that was only averaging 11 points a game. Anyway, the stats can be found below.

MY LEAGUE DRAFT
So I decided to focus on two drafts and as I did with the previous section (and the rest of them moving forward, I looked at the draft after the first year and the sixth year. There were a few surprises in the first draft with a player with a 92 potential being taken at number 11 behind guys with much lower potential. I would say that is a good thing but I think the CPU values overall a little more than potential as they did in 2k17. In the sixth year, the draft went about as expected. There were also some things that stood out to me about the draft after looking a little deeper. First, the potential is a pretty high for a lot of these players (especially in the first draft). I believe this was done to stay in line with the base roster but I will share why that ends up being a problem in the future. Also, a problem that has been present since 2k implemented the “peak start” and “peak end” option is that all of these players had peak ends over 30 and most of them at 34 or 35. Realistically, there is no way that all of these players will be at their peak all the way until age 34 or 35 especially when we are looking at potentials in the 90s. Take a look at the two draft’s top 15 selections below. I must say that I do love that they added the ability to have players stay overseas. The way it works is that the player stays on your roster but can’t be used until his contract is up. Pretty cool addition. For what it is worth, this was done with draft class quality at 50 so if you aren’t using custom classes you may want to lower it if these are a bit high for you.

RATINGS IN THE FUTURE
Here is where some problems start to show up. If you look at the picture below, you will see that 4 of the top ten players at their respective positions are sitting in free agency. This is a problem that I saw every single year as I simulated. I determined that the problem is that the game has too many highly rated/high potential players and there isn’t enough money to meet the financial demands of free agents. At the end of the third or fourth year we had Steph Curry (who had averaged 30 points the previous year and was a 94 overall) sitting in free agency along with 90 rated Joel Embiid. Both players did not get signed until after the season started and both players signed 1 year deals for 1.63 million. That… is not… acceptable. Of course us roster editors will be able to fix this but it just shouldn’t be happening at all. Also, you probably notice that a lot of very old players are at the top of their respective positions. Once again, this goes back to peak end being so high for so many players. This is something that will have to once again be addressed by the roster makers as it simply isn’t very realistic. You’re probably also wondering why a lot of the generated players rated so high didn’t show up in the top 15 stats. Once again, tendency issues which have been an issue with the game for many years.

ADDITIONAL THINGS I NOTICED
- Although I have heard a lot of complaints about the CAP system, I will say that this year, the generated rookies have more unique looks and most of the top guys drafted didn’t look similar to one another at all. They actually do a much better job giving different hair styles and facial hair which can make a big difference even though it is a small change.

- A lot of the top player movement was due to teams not signing big free agents and those players receiving criminally low contracts at the beginning of the season. I know I said it already but that needs to be looked at as soon as possible.

- When editing a draft class, you have the option to give an overseas player a contract to stay over there for one, two or three years.

- A weird glitch happened where a player named Noah Owen stayed in England to play ball for one year (see the draft picture). He stayed on the Nuggets roster and then the same exact player was drafted in the top ten the following year to the Raptors with the same overall, same potential and same appearance. Both players stayed in the league so that is definitely an issue that I need to look at in the future.

- Staying with the draft, if you look at the first draft there was a player from Italy that came into the league with a 99 potential. The kid tore his Achilles the second year and literally never recovered to reach that potential which is why you didn’t see him listed in the top point guards. I like seeing those Brandon Roy type situations so that was cool.

- I can not stress enough that peak ends need to be adjusted along with tendencies or else the league stats are going to dip once your stars like Curry, LeBron, Anthony Davis, Russell and Giannis retire. In the real NBA you have players like LeBron who play at the highest level in their 30s but you also have a lot of guys like Deron Williams that fall off the map. Everybody can’t be LeBron and Kobe and the peak ends have it programmed for that to happen.

Well that’s all I have for you guys. Of course after all that work I’m going to plug me and my team’s work so please check us out at the threads below:

SimWorld official NBA roster thread:
http://forums.operationsports.com/fo...-xbox-one.html

SimWorld Fictional Class thread
http://forums.operationsports.com/fo...-xbox-one.html

SimWorld Fictional League Thread
http://forums.operationsports.com/fo...-xbox-one.html

And just because me and especially my boy Blindside put so much work into it, please do me a favor and check out the 400 plus page scouting report for the fictional league. It is literally everything you could want in a fictional league with an ongoing storyline, stats, award winners, drafts, champions etc. Please download it and give us some feedback:
http://www.mediafire.com/file/hx38vh...gue+guide.pptx

Mikelopedia · 09-15-2017, 04:20 AM

Excellent write up.

The G-League disappointment is very frustrating as Erick specifically said in his blog that 2nd rounders and undrafted rookies "help populate the league."
So what was he refering to then?

nddot · 09-15-2017, 04:33 AM

Man....this is awesome. Thank you for posting this and for the first reports.

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MacD · 09-15-2017, 05:01 AM

Great info, thanks. I do wonder how many of those issues are realistically fixable via patches. I hope they will fix some of those things, in the meantime I'll have to take a closer look on user created draft classes then.

CWSapp757 · 09-15-2017, 08:01 AM

Ughhhh. So it looks like some othera have confirned the duplicate draft class player issue that apparently occurs when players are stashed overseas. That is going to be need to looked at as soon as possible.

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NoLeafClover · 09-15-2017, 08:19 AM

Well, just as many of us expected, the running back and forward around the neighbourhood to equip clothing or answer messages etc. is pretty much just a pointless time sink. They've done a better job with managing loading times, just don't understand why they are so obsessed with pointless filler.

The gameplay is great once actually on the court so far though.

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Boogee134 · 09-15-2017, 08:34 AM

Thanks for you work.
What about the other issues ? Like 7'2'' PG and 6'0'' Center and unrealistic contracts given (2 billions for Diallo) ?

Basically, what need to be patched as soon as possible is :

- The duplicate players from the Draft & Stash
- The Peaks, it's unacceptable to have players rated 82+ sitting in the free agency because the talent in the league is too strong.
- The unrealistic contracts (2 billions for Diallo) if it's confirmed.

These 3 things make MyLeague unplayable right now. That is downright unacceptable.

VAWereWolf65 · 09-15-2017, 08:43 AM

I'm guessing free throws are still messed up in Sim?

Players like Westbrook and Harden only averaging 6 free throws per game when in reality they average over 10?

09-15-2017, 04:05 AM	#1
CWSapp757 SimWorld Draft Class Guru OVR: 24 Join Date: Aug 2008 Location: Newport News, VA Posts: 4,650	NBA 2k18: THe Good, The Bad and The Ugly 2k18 is here ladies and gentlemen and with that comes another edition of our Good, Bad and Ugly thread. I considered not doing it this year but I have to remember that each year we find something that is a little concerning or needs to be addressed so I figure why not raise some awareness as soon as possible. We will look at a few of the basic aspects of MyLeague and discuss what they got right, what they got wrong and what we are just straight up disappointed about. Speaking of disappointment, first up is newly added GLeague: GLeague Well the catch here is that there isn’t one. Let me explain. When I started the mode I expected to see a list of players that were already on my NBA squads GLeague team. I know that they said that we wouldn’t be able to play the games but I still thought that there would be rosters that we could manage while the CPU simulated the game. Not quite. If you already knew this you can skip to the next section but I was shocked to see that the Gleague isn’t actually a league but just an individual option for players. You still are limited to your 15 man roster (actually I think it is more but only if you have a player that has a contact overseas) and you simply have the option to send a player to the GLeague or call him up. If he is sent to the GLeague, you can check his stats in the “GLeague stats” menu but that’s it. No roster, no standings, no GLeague MVP. None of that. Although it is a pretty cool option I would have loved to see them have full rosters where undrafted and lower drafted players could go since most of them sit in free agency for a year and retire anyway to make room for the next 150 rookies coming into the game. Also disappointing is that it didn’t appear to have any effect on their progression either as rookies that didn’t get sent down and got little to no playing time still saw dramatic jumps in their overalls. Missed opportunity here but maybe next year. MY LEAGUE AWARDS This year I only listed awards after the first year and the sixth year. Those players can be found below. My biggest issue was a 34 year old Russell Westbrook winning his fourth MVP in six years. Not saying it can’t happen, but just something to look at. Also, most of the winners are players that are all real life players but that’s a recurring issue that we will address in a little. MY LEAGUE STATS Always an important section of this post. Once again I only took a look at the stats at the end of year 1 and at the end of the sixth year. I don’t see much problem with the stats at the end of the first year and honestly have to give 2k props on making steals more realistic. Last year there were guys averaging over 4 steals a game which is honestly not very realistic if you look at real life stats as of late. Blocks also seemed to have gotten a bit of an adjustment. Moving in to the future, I noticed a couple of things. First, most of the usual suspects were still there in the top 15 which I understand, but you would think with the high rated/high potential rookies coming in (we will get to that too), that more of those guys would be present especially in points per game. It appears that once again, tendencies will be an issue as some of these higher rated players with good scoring ratings simply aren’t shooting the ball. There was one beastly shooting guard generated player with an overall in the 90s that was only averaging 11 points a game. Anyway, the stats can be found below. MY LEAGUE DRAFT So I decided to focus on two drafts and as I did with the previous section (and the rest of them moving forward, I looked at the draft after the first year and the sixth year. There were a few surprises in the first draft with a player with a 92 potential being taken at number 11 behind guys with much lower potential. I would say that is a good thing but I think the CPU values overall a little more than potential as they did in 2k17. In the sixth year, the draft went about as expected. There were also some things that stood out to me about the draft after looking a little deeper. First, the potential is a pretty high for a lot of these players (especially in the first draft). I believe this was done to stay in line with the base roster but I will share why that ends up being a problem in the future. Also, a problem that has been present since 2k implemented the “peak start” and “peak end” option is that all of these players had peak ends over 30 and most of them at 34 or 35. Realistically, there is no way that all of these players will be at their peak all the way until age 34 or 35 especially when we are looking at potentials in the 90s. Take a look at the two draft’s top 15 selections below. I must say that I do love that they added the ability to have players stay overseas. The way it works is that the player stays on your roster but can’t be used until his contract is up. Pretty cool addition. For what it is worth, this was done with draft class quality at 50 so if you aren’t using custom classes you may want to lower it if these are a bit high for you. RATINGS IN THE FUTURE Here is where some problems start to show up. If you look at the picture below, you will see that 4 of the top ten players at their respective positions are sitting in free agency. This is a problem that I saw every single year as I simulated. I determined that the problem is that the game has too many highly rated/high potential players and there isn’t enough money to meet the financial demands of free agents. At the end of the third or fourth year we had Steph Curry (who had averaged 30 points the previous year and was a 94 overall) sitting in free agency along with 90 rated Joel Embiid. Both players did not get signed until after the season started and both players signed 1 year deals for 1.63 million. That… is not… acceptable. Of course us roster editors will be able to fix this but it just shouldn’t be happening at all. Also, you probably notice that a lot of very old players are at the top of their respective positions. Once again, this goes back to peak end being so high for so many players. This is something that will have to once again be addressed by the roster makers as it simply isn’t very realistic. You’re probably also wondering why a lot of the generated players rated so high didn’t show up in the top 15 stats. Once again, tendency issues which have been an issue with the game for many years. ADDITIONAL THINGS I NOTICED - Although I have heard a lot of complaints about the CAP system, I will say that this year, the generated rookies have more unique looks and most of the top guys drafted didn’t look similar to one another at all. They actually do a much better job giving different hair styles and facial hair which can make a big difference even though it is a small change. - A lot of the top player movement was due to teams not signing big free agents and those players receiving criminally low contracts at the beginning of the season. I know I said it already but that needs to be looked at as soon as possible. - When editing a draft class, you have the option to give an overseas player a contract to stay over there for one, two or three years. - A weird glitch happened where a player named Noah Owen stayed in England to play ball for one year (see the draft picture). He stayed on the Nuggets roster and then the same exact player was drafted in the top ten the following year to the Raptors with the same overall, same potential and same appearance. Both players stayed in the league so that is definitely an issue that I need to look at in the future. - Staying with the draft, if you look at the first draft there was a player from Italy that came into the league with a 99 potential. The kid tore his Achilles the second year and literally never recovered to reach that potential which is why you didn’t see him listed in the top point guards. I like seeing those Brandon Roy type situations so that was cool. - I can not stress enough that peak ends need to be adjusted along with tendencies or else the league stats are going to dip once your stars like Curry, LeBron, Anthony Davis, Russell and Giannis retire. In the real NBA you have players like LeBron who play at the highest level in their 30s but you also have a lot of guys like Deron Williams that fall off the map. Everybody can’t be LeBron and Kobe and the peak ends have it programmed for that to happen. Well that’s all I have for you guys. Of course after all that work I’m going to plug me and my team’s work so please check us out at the threads below: SimWorld official NBA roster thread: http://forums.operationsports.com/fo...-xbox-one.html SimWorld Fictional Class thread http://forums.operationsports.com/fo...-xbox-one.html SimWorld Fictional League Thread http://forums.operationsports.com/fo...-xbox-one.html And just because me and especially my boy Blindside put so much work into it, please do me a favor and check out the 400 plus page scouting report for the fictional league. It is literally everything you could want in a fictional league with an ongoing storyline, stats, award winners, drafts, champions etc. Please download it and give us some feedback: http://www.mediafire.com/file/hx38vh...gue+guide.pptx Billy Batson, miz468, tril and 25 others like this. __________________ SimWorld NBA 2K19 Fictional Draft Classes YOUTUBE / FACEBOOK / TWITCH / SOUNDCLOUD TWITTER & INSTAGRAM: @SimWorld4k #SimWorldSports #SeeTheGameBeTheGame Last edited by CWSapp757; 09-15-2017 at 04:08 AM.

09-15-2017, 04:20 AM	#2
Mikelopedia The Real Birdman OVR: 1 Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: SimNation, Miami Posts: 1,523	Re: NBA 2k18: THe Good, The Bad and The Ugly Excellent write up. The G-League disappointment is very frustrating as Erick specifically said in his blog that 2nd rounders and undrafted rookies "help populate the league." So what was he refering to then? DatSamuraiRose, fatleg3, CyberOps and 7 others like this. __________________ Die hard Heat and Dolphins fan since '89 PSN: MiiikeMarsh

09-15-2017, 04:33 AM	#3
nddot Pro OVR: 2 Join Date: Sep 2012 Location: Paris, France	Re: NBA 2k18: THe Good, The Bad and The Ugly Man....this is awesome. Thank you for posting this and for the first reports. Sent from my iPhone using Operation Sports __________________ "I just wanna be heaaaaaaaaard"

09-15-2017, 05:01 AM	#4
MacD Rookie OVR: 0 Join Date: Sep 2015	Re: NBA 2k18: THe Good, The Bad and The Ugly Great info, thanks. I do wonder how many of those issues are realistically fixable via patches. I hope they will fix some of those things, in the meantime I'll have to take a closer look on user created draft classes then.

09-15-2017, 08:01 AM	#5
CWSapp757 SimWorld Draft Class Guru OVR: 24 Join Date: Aug 2008 Location: Newport News, VA Posts: 4,650	Re: NBA 2k18: THe Good, The Bad and The Ugly Ughhhh. So it looks like some othera have confirned the duplicate draft class player issue that apparently occurs when players are stashed overseas. That is going to be need to looked at as soon as possible. Sent from my LG-H872 using Operation Sports mobile app cj54, Detroit Red, killawhalediver and 3 others like this. __________________ SimWorld NBA 2K19 Fictional Draft Classes YOUTUBE / FACEBOOK / TWITCH / SOUNDCLOUD TWITTER & INSTAGRAM: @SimWorld4k #SimWorldSports #SeeTheGameBeTheGame

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09-15-2017, 08:19 AM	#6
NoLeafClover Pro OVR: 0 Join Date: Feb 2016	Re: NBA 2k18: THe Good, The Bad and The Ugly Well, just as many of us expected, the running back and forward around the neighbourhood to equip clothing or answer messages etc. is pretty much just a pointless time sink. They've done a better job with managing loading times, just don't understand why they are so obsessed with pointless filler. The gameplay is great once actually on the court so far though. Sent from my SM-T810 using Operation Sports mobile app belikemike, cj54, fatleg3 and 1 others like this.

09-15-2017, 08:34 AM	#7
Boogee134 Rookie OVR: 0 Join Date: Feb 2014	Re: NBA 2k18: THe Good, The Bad and The Ugly Thanks for you work. What about the other issues ? Like 7'2'' PG and 6'0'' Center and unrealistic contracts given (2 billions for Diallo) ? Basically, what need to be patched as soon as possible is : - The duplicate players from the Draft & Stash - The Peaks, it's unacceptable to have players rated 82+ sitting in the free agency because the talent in the league is too strong. - The unrealistic contracts (2 billions for Diallo) if it's confirmed. These 3 things make MyLeague unplayable right now. That is downright unacceptable. SuperNova854 and eaterofworlds888 like this.

09-15-2017, 08:43 AM	#8
VAWereWolf65 MVP OVR: 0 Join Date: Jul 2016 Blog Entries: 1	Re: NBA 2k18: THe Good, The Bad and The Ugly I'm guessing free throws are still messed up in Sim? Players like Westbrook and Harden only averaging 6 free throws per game when in reality they average over 10? __________________ VAWereWolf65's Custom Draft Class Thread - 2k19 (Xbox One)

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