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NCAA Football 10 Blog: Pocket Protection

09:36 PM - March 24, 2009 by shaunlmason

EA has just posted another NCAA Football 10 blog. This one covers pocket protection.

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	"Well there you have it, a full pocket. You can see that both Offensive Tackles (OT) were able to ride the Defensive Ends (DE) or Linebackers (LB) out wide behind the Quarterback (QB) instead of just standing them straight up. This year we are giving the Tackles the ability to take a Defensive End wide around the QB in a realistic fashion."

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# 81 rhombic21 @ 03/25/09 03:19 PM

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Originally Posted by bmdsooner


	Some people want both the gameplay and atmosphere that match the game that is being simulated on their video game system. I know, that is crazy talk.

The rest of your post is ridiculous and not worth getting into, but I just want to talk about this briefly. The idea that a game without refs on the field can't have great atmosphere or presentation is beyond stupid. Adam said that those guys spent time working on other things. Have you ever taken the time to consider the fact that those other things might have an impact on your precious atmosphere and presentation?

BTW, in case you don't realize, EA also owns and makes Madden, so your entire "business school wanna be" drivel about profit margins makes almost no sense at all. It's in Madden and not in NCAA because there are other things that the NCAA team decided to budget their time towards. And given how minor refs on the field are in terms of the gameplay experience, I think that it's pretty hard to get worked up about that decision.

# 82 MorePlays445 @ 03/25/09 05:52 PM

I just want more plays. The avg team has at least 400 plays I don't see why NCAA or Madden can't have more plays. Also I want real plays that the teams use. Come on your in the huddle only your team will know what ur calling. How many plays do they have for 1 formation and package...a lot.

# 83 JAYMO76 @ 03/25/09 06:01 PM

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Originally Posted by OMT


	While the gameplay stuff is shared, the refs are a rendering issue that is part of the game team's budget handled by the engineers that specialize in graphics. We needed these guys to do something else this year.

Thank you for the answer. I didn't realise that refs were not something that could be shared. Fingers crossed that your team has focussed on other issues like FORMATION SUBS & FCS & PRE-GAME SHOWS. :y 220:

# 84 thudias @ 03/25/09 06:59 PM

One extreme to the other...no middle ground with you guys...jeesh!

# 85 rhombic21 @ 03/25/09 07:41 PM

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Originally Posted by bmdsooner


	Here you go OMT. Just add a few more X's and o's and concentrate on the GAMEPLAY. Also you might need to get MS to release a trackball controller for the ultimate experience.

Serious question here. What would you rate NCAA Football 09 on a scale of 1-100? Now imagine that everything else about the game was exactly the same, but it had on-field refs and a chain gang. What would you rate it then?

# 86 countryboy @ 03/25/09 07:48 PM

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Originally Posted by bmdsooner


	Too late with the edit CB. Were you also not the one that switched over to the PS2 versions of these games? Maybe it was someone else? I just recall a few threads on this previously and I do not recall gameplay being the sole reason for this transformation. Correct me if I am wrong but Madden for example is a game where the presentation was the biggest gripe. I realize there are plenty of gameplay issues but that is an area I see the most complaints. It is why I could not keep it for more than a week. Watching the paint dry on my wall was more enthralling. It goes both ways. Like I said before and will once again, is it wrong to ask for BOTH? Most dev teams have certain people who work on the presentation side and others working on the gameplay side. NCAA09 was never boring for me on the gameplay end. While the gameplay is broken in some areas I still enjoy playing the game. I do not have to create house rules, tinker with sliders until my hands are numb, to enjoy a game. There will always be limitations to video games because they are just that, GAMES. Show me a perfect game (gameplay wise) and plenty of people show you where you have not tried hard enough to find it's flaws. I just get irked at all the stuff that continues to be left out of the game that were in last gen games. I get more irked when remove stuff like dynamic lighting/shadows out of the game. Heck, I am enjoying MLB2K9 and College Basketball 09 even with all their faults, shoot me now.

I'm out of this conversation.

# 87 rhombic21 @ 03/25/09 08:05 PM

So, what you really meant to say there is that refs and chain gangs were too small of a feature to affect your score in any substantial way.

Given this fact, I am baffled that you are so upset that they aren't in the game.

Look, I'm not saying that presentation and graphics aren't important. They are. What I'm saying is that refs and chain gangs are such a ridiculously small part of those categories that almost nobody would substantially change their opinion of the game one way or the other based on whether or not they were included. Think about other presentation items, like commentary, field textures, player models, animations, replay angles, etc...Those things ARE big enough factors that if they were missing, people would be able to express a difference in their opinion about the quality of the game.

The fact of the matter is that no matter what you think about NCAA 09 (or 10), the inclusion or exclusion of referees on the field would not make any sort of substantial impact on your opinion of the game.

# 88 countryboy @ 03/25/09 08:05 PM

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Originally Posted by bmdsooner


	Thanks for the update.

you're welcome

# 89 md0t @ 03/25/09 08:55 PM

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Originally Posted by rhombic21


	So, what you really meant to say there is that refs and chain gangs were too small of a feature to affect your score in any substantial way. Given this fact, I am baffled that you are so upset that they aren't in the game. Look, I'm not saying that presentation and graphics aren't important. They are. What I'm saying is that refs and chain gangs are such a ridiculously small part of those categories that almost nobody would substantially change their opinion of the game one way or the other based on whether or not they were included. Think about other presentation items, like commentary, field textures, player models, animations, replay angles, etc...Those things ARE big enough factors that if they were missing, people would be able to express a difference in their opinion about the quality of the game. The fact of the matter is that no matter what you think about NCAA 09 (or 10), the inclusion or exclusion of referees on the field would not make any sort of substantial impact on your opinion of the game.

- rhombic u probably say most of what i don't in these posts....its too bad a guy with a great mind roots for the wrong team. Mr Flynn and Devo too much for Griffin and Co.

this is exactly how i feel when people worry about more visor brand names and facemasks, sock color, chin straps....irrelevant schitt that would make 10 as crappy as 09.
"you can put lipstick on a pig.......it's still a pig" - the President of the United States

# 90 nexdawg @ 03/25/09 09:11 PM

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Originally Posted by md0t


	- rhombic u probably say most of what i don't in these posts....its too bad a guy with a great mind roots for the wrong team. Mr Flynn and Devo too much for Griffin and Co. this is exactly how i feel when people worry about more visor brand names and facemasks, sock color, chin straps....irrelevant schitt that would make 10 as crappy as 09. "you can put lipstick on a pig.......it's still a pig" - the President of the United States

I think everybody wants better gameplay but its not an either or thing. We can and should have both improvements in this game everyyear.

# 91 noplace @ 03/25/09 09:22 PM

That looks 10x better than those USC pics earlier. Now lets hope that once that engage they dont stick to eachother but slide off. Maybe with some realistic pockets DT push will matter more in the game but I know I'm pushing it here. Thanks for atleast adding the animations.

# 92 nexdawg @ 03/25/09 10:01 PM

Still no word on double teams? The 3-4 defense revolves around a big guy in the middle that demands a double team. OL/DL INA isnt complete without double teams.

# 93 rudyjuly2 @ 03/26/09 09:35 AM

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Originally Posted by Tito78


	If QBs are penalized for throwing on the run and/or without setting their feet, everything will work perfectly. It will also be harder because the DE is coming around the edge, so rolling out may cause you to roll right into the DE.

With the new QB ratings for how accurate each QB is while throwing on the run, I think the game will handle this well. Oh wait. That's in Madden and not NCAA.

# 94 OMT @ 03/26/09 12:53 PM

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Originally Posted by nexdawg


	I think everybody wants better gameplay but its not an either or thing. We can and should have both improvements in this game everyyear.

This is true. There is no right or wrong in this argument. Refs and chain gangs do not impact gameplay much (there IS gameplay team work involved though). The real cost of adding them is in stuff like memory finding, CPU profiling, rendering, and other technical things of that nature. The artwork is as simple as changing some textures on the Madden versions.

So why aren't they in? It is just like everything else that is or is not in the game. We have X number of hours to spend on the game every year. Each feature/task/fix takes Y number of hours. We come up with Z number of these work items. So we cut until Y*Z <= X.

Every year there is a lot of great stuff that is left on the cutting room floor. Cutting designs to get within budget is the hardest part of the design team's job. And just like on this board, there isn't always a consensus on what is a higher priority.

I understand the disappointment many of you feel for things that aren't being included in NCAA, especially when they ARE being included on Madden. Trust me, I share the disappointment with you guys on many things (and less on others).

I know many of you will disagree with our design decisions and that is completely understandable. Just realize that we have a finite amount of time to complete the game, and we don't leave things out due to incompetence or laziness.

# 95 OMT @ 03/26/09 12:55 PM

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Originally Posted by nexdawg


	Still no word on double teams? The 3-4 defense revolves around a big guy in the middle that demands a double team. OL/DL INA isnt complete without double teams.

I'm pretty sure we've had double team blocks since NCAA 08. I'd check but my 360 is fried and I'm waiting on IT to get me a new one.

# 96 nexdawg @ 03/26/09 01:12 PM

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Originally Posted by OMT


	I'm pretty sure we've had double team blocks since NCAA 08. I'd check but my 360 is fried and I'm waiting on IT to get me a new one.

I would hope double team blocks has received a tweak when the whole OL/DL INA got tweaked. Im sure you cant comment but will it be something we control or will it be something that happens on its own? And if it does happen on its own what will decide who and when players get doubled?

# 97 nexdawg @ 03/26/09 01:38 PM

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Originally Posted by OMT


	I understand the disappointment many of you feel for things that aren't being included in NCAA, especially when they ARE being included on Madden. Trust me, I share the disappointment with you guys on many things (and less on others). I know many of you will disagree with our design decisions and that is completely understandable. Just realize that we have a finite amount of time to complete the game, and we don't leave things out due to incompetence or laziness.

My question is how much do you guys(NCAA) keep in touch with the Madden guys about what there putting in so comparisons like these wont be a problem? You guys are pretty much the only competition to each other so as long as you guys have the exclusive deals those comparisons will be there.

IMO I think stuff like mascouts ,wideopen gameplay ,and entrances is better for NCAA while things like New Qb ratings ,On field refs, and/or dreads/long hair should be in both. I also would like things like weapons/impact players to be revamped or removed(mostly removed IMO). But I think both games should be more uniformal. I think it would help sell for both games if they were more uniformal then they are now. Im sure a lot more Madden only buyers would come aboard if the games had more similarities

# 98 OMT @ 03/26/09 02:10 PM

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Originally Posted by nexdawg


	My question is how much do you guys(NCAA) keep in touch with the Madden guys about what there putting in so comparisons like these wont be a problem? You guys are pretty much the only competition to each other so as long as you guys have the exclusive deals those comparisons will be there. IMO I think stuff like mascouts ,wideopen gameplay ,and entrances is better for NCAA while things like New Qb ratings ,On field refs, and/or dreads/long hair should be in both. I also would like things like weapons/impact players to be revamped or removed(mostly removed IMO). But I think both games should be more uniformal. I think it would help sell for both games if they were more uniformal then they are now. Im sure a lot more Madden only buyers would come aboard if the games had more similarities

We certainly work with them and share where we can, and you will see that in some new stuff we haven't announced yet. At the same time, there is also a desire by EA to not have the games be identical.

# 99 rudyjuly2 @ 03/26/09 02:36 PM

How much influence does the actual NCAA have in how you program your game? I've heard that the major sports (NFL, NCAA, etc.) have a bigger impact than we realize on game design.

# 100 OMT @ 03/26/09 02:53 PM

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Originally Posted by rudyjuly2


	How much influence does the actual NCAA have in how you program your game? I've heard that the major sports (NFL, NCAA, etc.) have a bigger impact than we realize on game design.

They don't tell us what to do, but they certainly tell us what we can't.

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