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Madden NFL 10 Blog: 2nd Title Update Preliminary Details

09:32 PM - October 16, 2009 by Ian_Cummings

Check out the Madden NFL 10 blog, which talks about the preliminary details of the 2nd title update.

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	"In this second title update we focused on some of the more debated topics from our loyal and passionate fan base. We appreciate all the feedback so please keep it coming! In this update you will be happy to hear that we have tuned our Flat Zone assignments to cover the flats more effectively. Defenders will not chuck a WR if another receiver is running a route towards their zone. This will help the defender be in better position to react to a quickly throw flat route and allow him to make a play. The flat zone defenders will also play the ball better if a pass is thrown behind the line of scrimmage as well as taking better pursuit angles after the catch to prevent the ball carrier from being able to get around the corner. This has been one of the top complaints that we have heard about and realized it was definitely something that we needed to address."

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# 261 Swingking77 @ 11/08/09 09:36 PM

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Originally Posted by homeycool


	While I agree with you when referring to football terminology, I have to disagree with you when speaking Madden play calling terminology. In Madden whenever a play says "Cover 2" there is always someone covering the flats via a zone. When a play is called "Cover 3" there are always players in flat zone coverage. If the play were man up on the outside it says "Cover 2 man" or "Cover 3 man" and there are many variations of these safety sets as you said, however if the play is called simply "Cover 2" or "Cover 3" there are ALWAYS players covering the flats. Again I am only speaking of Madden language here. I certainly do not disagree with anything you said accept only to point out that when someone says they need to fix "cover 2" or "cover 3", they are most likely speaking of the plays themselves, not the safety sets.

Alright... Dime Bucs/Bears Cover 2... Any flats coverage? Nope... The terminology is right, but the expectation is off... In the basic cover 2 in the 4-3, you have twp DBs playing a flats zone, but they also have to cover WRs... If they run quick paterns, that are still within their area, they cover that player leaving the deep flats to cover the short routes... Leaving the HBs open, but that's the nature of the game. You gotta get a good ajm on them to slow them down. You can't cover everything. I know what you're trying to say, but it just isn't that simple. There aren't always guys in the flats in a Cover 2 in this game, or in real life. That one was just off the top of my head. The other that doesn't employ coverage in the flats and is a Cover 2 is the basic 3-4 Cover 2, everyone is of behind the LOS...

@Tick32

Again, the screens were broken in the game and didn't work, the players didn't run the routes well and the HBs only caught lobs, making it easier for a LB to bat it down... But the short game was alive and well in the game, trust me. BUT a big difference in these two games, I find, is the amount of blitzing which took place. You HAD to play smart D in 2K, making for a wide variety of plays being defended... This year, and years past, with Madden, the blitz rained supreme with little a player could do against it... All I'm saying is that there are a lot of ways of stopping these plays because I've done it, employing the ways which I included in the previous posts, and for the reasons which I also outlined. I think some people want to use their sliders more then the games original config, but then if something goes wrong, which their sliders may have caused, they want it addressed in a patch... Try increasing the D's awareness and reaction and you'll see stops... And if you're playing online, stop blitzing and employ press and man coverages and you'll get success, eventually. Maybe not everytime, but enough to get the job done...

P.S. I'm also very curious how many of you guys set your D matchups for your games... Makes a HUGE difference. You need the proper matchups. Choose a faster OLB to cover HBs, or a SS or FS... But then again, that's something that takes time to do and learn how to do it as well. But it makes all of the difference in the world... There is another thread on this as well. And what's also nice about doing this is that all those "wierder" packages that guys like to use don't matter anymore when you're playing man D

Enjoy... Those of you who want to protest can do so, but there are a lot of people out there who are doing what you say is impossible simply by learing a bit about how the D works and how you can use the new options to better your chances...

# 262 bigdfan76 @ 11/08/09 09:45 PM

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Originally Posted by Tick32


	Some1 knows wat im talkin about

Ok I see what you are saying. Good point. I missunderstood at 1st. Ex. I like to occasionaly use a play called "cover 2 sink". That play has no flat zones. But all the plays called "cover2" or "cover 3" DO have flat zones. Also I don't seem to have problems with the flats on D. Now I do not play online. I also consider myself a decent play caller. I also play with some amazong LBs. They have speed, strength, pass rush skills and some ahve good man and zone coverages, heck some of them can even press. Still they are not CBs. If it's a good team with a good RB, like the Eagles, then yes it's difficult to stop a screeen, it SHOULD be. I do think the pursuit angles need work. I am ahving alot of fun with Madden this year. It's the best one in a long time.

# 263 CFav @ 11/08/09 11:25 PM

Has anyone heard/read if the 2nd title update has been submitted to MS and SCEA?

I understand how difficult it can be to patch a title w/o a million other things going wrong in the process, but I am getting impatient here. I'm a sim player, who values true to life stats, so I just can't start my franchise until some things are addressed. It's week 9 of the season and Madden needs some serious dusting atm.

# 264 BlueNGold @ 11/08/09 11:43 PM

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Originally Posted by CFav


	Has anyone heard/read if the 2nd title update has been submitted to MS and SCEA? I understand how difficult it can be to patch a title w/o a million other things going wrong in the process, but I am getting impatient here. I'm a sim player, who values true to life stats, so I just can't start my franchise until some things are addressed. It's week 9 of the season and Madden needs some serious dusting atm.

Yeah it did. It's supposed to be coming out in the middle of this month.

# 265 CFav @ 11/09/09 12:03 AM

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Originally Posted by BlueNGold


	Yeah it did. It's supposed to be coming out in the middle of this month.

Thank you BnG. I appreciate the response my man.

# 266 Nyrican127 @ 11/09/09 12:13 AM

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Originally Posted by BlueNGold


	Yeah it did. It's supposed to be coming out in the middle of this month.

good to hear

# 267 XtremeDunkz @ 11/09/09 01:32 PM

so i guess ian is never coming back? lol. This time last year he was all over this place gathering feedback for madden 10...

# 268 RGiles36 @ 11/09/09 01:43 PM

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Originally Posted by xtremedunkz


	so i guess ian is never coming back? lol. This time last year he was all over this place gathering feedback for madden 10...

I think he'll come back, but it'll be on a limited basis. Again, I have no inside information. But right now, I just don't foresee him making a comeback and interacting in the same capacity he once did. Me personally, I'm expecting him to come with a thread/poll here or there to collect feedback throughout the cycle and that may be about it. I don't expect him to stroll through random threads lending responses as he previously did.

# 269 mike24forever @ 11/09/09 04:37 PM

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Originally Posted by rgiles36


	I think he'll come back, but it'll be on a limited basis. Again, I have no inside information. But right now, I just don't foresee him making a comeback and interacting in the same capacity he once did. Me personally, I'm expecting him to come with a thread/poll here or there to collect feedback throughout the cycle and that may be about it. I don't expect him to stroll through random threads lending responses as he previously did.

Why would he come back and interact on the same level as he did. He made and effort and look at how people here treated him. Attacking him and setting up their own anti-
EA agendas. It was bad. So bad that they had to put a new admendment to the TOS. I think people here did not apprecitate what we had. He made great strides in this years game, and not to see it...well some people just don't want to like anything made by EA.

# 270 RyanMoody21 @ 11/09/09 05:17 PM

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Originally Posted by ms24forever


	Why would he come back and interact on the same level as he did. He made and effort and look at how people here treated him. Attacking him and setting up their own anti- EA agendas. It was bad. So bad that they had to put a new admendment to the TOS. I think people here did not apprecitate what we had. He made great strides in this years game, and not to see it...well some people just don't want to like anything made by EA.

Please. He is a grown man and needs to be responsible for his own words. I find it very hard to imagine a message board taught him that.

You can put whatever spin you like on it, anti-EA, agenda motives or people not liking EA products. You can even assume people didn't appreciate having that type of interaction.

The problem is that interaction is useless if the information isn't being used. Regardless of if you agreed with how each person conveyed a message, the point was people are passionate about the game and want it to be improved. Expect some frustration with that passion.

At the end of the day, promises got made that didn't get kept. Its very easy to go back and look at Ian's own words in addition to EA's Dev Blogs and see things that simply are not in M10.

Its not that people cant look past the improvements in this years game, its that to some one lie can over shadow all promises kept.

Ian left on his own, seemingly not able to take the negative comments. Thats fine, thats on him. I commend the guy for coming out and saying it rather than just leaving. My issue is that he doesn't seem to understand why the negativity is there.

Asking about pursuit angle examples, saying ball certain morphs arent possible in the game and claiming the aspects of crowd noise worked when they didnt. He should have expected to get called out on all that exactly the way he did. You wanna market the game towards kids, thats fine, but dont come into a forum and treat people like kids.

# 271 roadman @ 11/09/09 05:35 PM

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Originally Posted by RMoody


	Please. He is a grown man and needs to be responsible for his own words. I find it very hard to imagine a message board taught him that. You can put whatever spin you like on it, anti-EA, agenda motives or people not liking EA products. You can even assume people didn't appreciate having that type of interaction. The problem is that interaction is useless if the information isn't being used. Regardless of if you agreed with how each person conveyed a message, the point was people are passionate about the game and want it to be improved. Expect some frustration with that passion. At the end of the day, promises got made that didn't get kept. Its very easy to go back and look at Ian's own words in addition to EA's Dev Blogs and see things that simply are not in M10. Its not that people cant look past the improvements in this years game, its that to some one lie can over shadow all promises kept. Ian left on his own, seemingly not able to take the negative comments. Thats fine, thats on him. I commend the guy for coming out and saying it rather than just leaving. My issue is that he doesn't seem to understand why the negativity is there. Asking about pursuit angle examples, saying ball certain morphs arent possible in the game and claiming the aspects of crowd noise worked when they didnt. He should have expected to get called out on all that exactly the way he did. You wanna market the game towards kids, thats fine, but dont come into a forum and treat people like kids.

You had me in the first part ,except for the lying part, you lost me in the second part.

Are you in the know that Ian left because of the negative comments and how they are presented? That is just pure speculation and we don't know the real reason. I don't mind myself and others to criticize the game, but not go after the developers when we are not in the know.(not saying you did, but others certainly did and that's why the TOS was added. that is on us)

# 272 riznaiders @ 11/09/09 05:38 PM

been playing since the first madden. it gets better every year. i used to like this place. but know i hate hearing all these idiots. please ban my account.

# 273 Steven123 @ 11/09/09 05:42 PM

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Originally Posted by RMoody


	Please. He is a grown man and needs to be responsible for his own words. I find it very hard to imagine a message board taught him that. You can put whatever spin you like on it, anti-EA, agenda motives or people not liking EA products. You can even assume people didn't appreciate having that type of interaction. The problem is that interaction is useless if the information isn't being used. Regardless of if you agreed with how each person conveyed a message, the point was people are passionate about the game and want it to be improved. Expect some frustration with that passion. At the end of the day, promises got made that didn't get kept. Its very easy to go back and look at Ian's own words in addition to EA's Dev Blogs and see things that simply are not in M10. Its not that people cant look past the improvements in this years game, its that to some one lie can over shadow all promises kept. Ian left on his own, seemingly not able to take the negative comments. Thats fine, thats on him. I commend the guy for coming out and saying it rather than just leaving. My issue is that he doesn't seem to understand why the negativity is there. Asking about pursuit angle examples, saying ball certain morphs arent possible in the game and claiming the aspects of crowd noise worked when they didnt. He should have expected to get called out on all that exactly the way he did. You wanna market the game towards kids, thats fine, but dont come into a forum and treat people like kids.

+1.
I was pretty much done with Madden until Ian showed up. I really believe d things were gonna change but it didnt. We were given all this info and videos to keep our interest high for the game. Then its finally released with a ton of bugs and glitches, where's Ian and company ? Nowhere to be found..

# 274 EvanRG @ 11/09/09 07:43 PM

I'm so excited for the Madden Arcade game!!!

# 275 roadman @ 11/09/09 08:38 PM

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Originally Posted by wheelman990


	People who talk about EA or 2k agendas are usually the fanboys themselves. Just look at live 10. Good job to them, what a turn around. When you build a solid game, you get praise, when you release a broken game, you get complaints. Specially when your the only game choice to the fans. I think most people agree Maddens took a step forward this year. The reality is its the 4th next gen title and still feels like a first year beta. I dont mean that as a bash, I'm just stating the majority feel this way. How can we expect people not to gripe on here? There just tired of waiting year after year. For me personally, Madden needs to feel fresh, and yet feel like a completed game. $60 is a lot of cion in todays economy for a lightly revised version. Lets hope this 2nd patch can substantially improve some issues. I mean no harm to those that love the game. I would love to enjoy it right with you. Footballs the greatest. I TRUELY hope EA's releases a killer game next year. Both NBA Live 10 & 2k10 spoiled me this year...loved them! Next year could be a great sport game year!

Nice post, I agree with most of it except I'm still playing Madden because it's much more fresh than 09 was for me.

I don't have an issue with people griping, but it's how they gripe and the constant griping from the same people is what bugs me. People tend to focus much more on the negativity because it sticks out more, but forget the positives that the game brings out.

It was much simpler in my days of gaming. I started with Pong, and what I put into the system, we got back. Same with Atari's gaming system all the way to the Sega Genesis. Pop in Joe Montana football or Bill Walsh College Football and that was what you got. I remember paying $50.00 for a Magic Johnson bball game on the NES and it was horrendous. No patches, you deal with it.

Now, with NG gaming, there is the internet and the demands for perfection or realism. If I put 100's of hrs into a game, I'm satisfied, I got my money's worth. Some people can't play Madden more than so many hrs because it's not up to their quality of standards.

# 276 bukktown @ 11/09/09 09:13 PM

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Originally Posted by roadman


	Nice post, I agree with most of it except I'm still playing Madden because it's much more fresh than 09 was for me. I don't have an issue with people griping, but it's how they gripe and the constant griping from the same people is what bugs me. People tend to focus much more on the negativity because it sticks out more, but forget the positives that the game brings out. It was much simpler in my days of gaming. I started with Pong, and what I put into the system, we got back. Same with Atari's gaming system all the way to the Sega Genesis. Pop in Joe Montana football or Bill Walsh College Football and that was what you got. I remember paying $50.00 for a Magic Johnson bball game on the NES and it was horrendous. No patches, you deal with it. Now, with NG gaming, there is the internet and the demands for perfection or realism. If I put 100's of hrs into a game, I'm satisfied, I got my money's worth. Some people can't play Madden more than so many hrs because it's not up to their quality of standards.

I too bought that game which might be the worst sports game of all time.

# 277 roadman @ 11/09/09 09:19 PM

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Originally Posted by bukktown


	I too bought that game which might be the worst sports game of all time.

We must be the only one's left on Earth that bought that game. It was heavily sponsored by Pepsi.

So, talk about ads during a game, this one was more intrusive than Madden and that was 20 yrs ago.

# 278 nld230 @ 11/10/09 12:56 PM

Still no word on the second patch? I would have thought we would have heard something, especially with today's release of COD6, one of the most anticipated games of the year.

# 279 SoxFan01605 @ 11/10/09 01:02 PM

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Originally Posted by nld230


	Still no word on the second patch? I would have thought we would have heard something, especially with today's release of COD6, one of the most anticipated games of the year.

I don't see what other word there could be. We recently got word it was in certification for MS and Sony. Once that happens it's usually pretty dark until release or maybe a few days prior if someone gets word that it's good to go.

I'm also not sure what the new COD game has to do with it. Patches aren't timed against other releases.

# 280 SoxFan01605 @ 11/10/09 01:37 PM

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Originally Posted by MattUMD224


	will old rosters be able to be used with the 2nd patch when it drops...i have and edited roster from opening day for myself and would hate to have to use the newest roster update when i have opening day rosters

I would highly doubt it will be an issue. I don't think I've ever seen that be the case unless there was something within the older roster causing the issues. We (and I say we, because I'm kinda in the same boat...lol) should be fine.

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