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NCAA's Broken Dynasty Mode -- Another reason we need a revolution

01:30 PM - July 27, 2010 by RaychelSnr

As many of you may know already -- and if you don't it's okay because I'm about to enlighten you -- NCAA's dynasty mode is horribly broken this year.

Since EA Tiburon made the decision to rate recruits lower coming into school (but yet I guess forget to work on the progression of the game), most teams end up with middle of the road talent after years 4 or 5. It's like all of the football talent in America dries up after this year and all you are left with are a bunch of players rated in the 70s. I did a sim to see how bad it was and my Oklahoma Sooners went from a team with A ratings to a team with C+ ratings, yet they still won the Big XII in Year 7 with that kind of talent. Mostly because Texas had slipped to a team with C-s across the board. Baylor actually was rated as D+ (roughly where such powerhouses as UL Monroe and Western Kentucky lie today).

To me -- this just shows how horribly stale Dynasty mode is in NCAA.

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# 21 jpot1 @ 07/27/10 03:19 PM

I was playing a offline dynasty with Western Michigan and immensly enjoying the game. Its actually a challenge to go undefeated and land good recruits unlike last year when i went to national championship with them first yr and every other and landed nothing but 4 and 5 star recruits with a 1 star school. I heard about progression issues so i made another dynasty and simmed it 25 years. Its horrible. there is one b- school 7 c schools and 112 d- teams. Fcs teams are having better winning records than almost every team out there and the rosters are crazy. Most teams have players playing out of position at every spot. 1 star rated usc has 3 qbs as running backs and all of there cb's and mlb's are de's. Not sure how people can say its not broke. sure the team you are using will still be ok with the recruits you pull in but will u have any competition when everyone else is getting stomped by fcs teams. there are tons of bugs in this game and while some arent game Breaking some need some quick attention and atleast a acknowledgement that they are working on a patch

# 22 georgiafan @ 07/27/10 03:23 PM

After playing the game this past week I came into work today thinking this was the best game of all time. After reading all the progression threads Im not sure if life is worth living anymore lol

# 23 Rebel10 @ 07/27/10 03:25 PM

I'm glad that a front page story is highlighting the glaring problems with Dynasty mode, but I'd be happier with just a patch to fix this problem, rather than a new mode........ but that's just me

# 24 kingkilla56 @ 07/27/10 03:29 PM

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Originally Posted by jpot1


	I was playing a offline dynasty with Western Michigan and immensly enjoying the game. Its actually a challenge to go undefeated and land good recruits unlike last year when i went to national championship with them first yr and every other and landed nothing but 4 and 5 star recruits with a 1 star school. I heard about progression issues so i made another dynasty and simmed it 25 years. Its horrible. there is one b- school 7 c schools and 112 d- teams. Fcs teams are having better winning records than almost every team out there and the rosters are crazy. Most teams have players playing out of position at every spot. 1 star rated usc has 3 qbs as running backs and all of there cb's and mlb's are de's. Not sure how people can say its not broke. sure the team you are using will still be ok with the recruits you pull in but will u have any competition when everyone else is getting stomped by fcs teams. there are tons of bugs in this game and while some arent game Breaking some need some quick attention and atleast a acknowledgement that they are working on a patch

I didnt know it actually got worse than just 10 years. I thought is stablized eventually. I've never ever used this term but this will be a game killer

# 25 jerryrice4949 @ 07/27/10 03:41 PM

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Originally Posted by kingkilla56


	I'm still convinced you haven't played a single game past year 4 in dynasty. All i here is you saying there is no proof.... Play the game for your proof, we are not hiding anything from nor are we lying about this to you sir. You give me proof that this isn't a problem how about that.

I totally agree. Dig your head out of the sand. I am in year 7 and the CPU QBs are MR because of the low awareness. Defense plays awful, etc...

# 26 Hooe @ 07/27/10 04:05 PM

I posted this as a comment to the blog, but it's not showing up in the forum so forgive me for crossposting.

I'm confused. Player ratings are not where they should be and that makes the mode "stale"? I think you're trying to prove a point about apples by talking about oranges.

If you are going to make an argument about a game being stale, you need to address the actual mechanics of the game and how tired they may be. For example, the core football gameplay (where the most time is spent), which most everyone has thoroughly lauded, or recruiting interface, which EA changed this year, and I think for the better. Or the Dynasty Wire in Online Dynasty, which is a very underrated addition.

You may have a point about something, and I want coaches to matter more as much as the next guy, but I don't think this article effectively argues that NCAA is "stale."

# 27 rooney8 @ 07/27/10 04:08 PM

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Originally Posted by SA1NT401


	I feel the frustration, but for myself...I never go further than yr 4 or 5 anyway. But it should be addressed. I play on VARSITY recruiting and i have seen ALOT of recruits come in with great stats in AWR etc(for both me and the CPU). Dont know if that has anything to do with it. But i am only in yr 2.

Nethier do I. It must be hell on the Madden team trying to get import classes right when players ratings drop this much.

# 28 Phobia @ 07/27/10 04:10 PM

I see another one of these threads and I am going to just quit coming to the NCAA forum. Matter of fact, hell i am done with this forum. It is STUPID here!

# 29 BIG17EASY @ 07/27/10 04:14 PM

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Originally Posted by Krioniq


	I posted this as a comment to the blog, but it's not showing up in the forum so forgive me for crossposting. I'm confused. Player ratings are not where they should be and that makes the mode "stale"? I think you're trying to prove a point about apples by talking about oranges. If you are going to make an argument about a game being stale, you need to address the actual mechanics of the game and how tired they may be. For example, the core football gameplay (where the most time is spent), which most everyone has thoroughly lauded, or recruiting interface, which EA changed this year, and I think for the better. Or the Dynasty Wire in Online Dynasty, which is a very underrated addition. You may have a point about something, and I want coaches to matter more as much as the next guy, but I don't think this article effectively argues that NCAA is "stale."

I took the original post by the OS writer as him using the "broken" recruit ratings/progression/whatever as a crutch to prop us his argument that dynasty mode is stale and needs to be overhauled. From my standpoint, the two things are mutually exclusive of each other. The ratings/progression/whatever problem would presumably be the same even if dynasty mode was focused on the coaches, as he lobbies for. And even if that problem didn't exist or is fixed, I don't think that'll satisfy what he's looking for.

# 30 ZekeRoberts @ 07/27/10 04:17 PM

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Originally Posted by SA1NT401


	I feel the frustration, but for myself...I never go further than yr 4 or 5 anyway. But it should be addressed. I play on VARSITY recruiting and i have seen ALOT of recruits come in with great stats in AWR etc(for both me and the CPU). Dont know if that has anything to do with it. But i am only in yr 2.

I also play on Varsity recruiting and don't see the horrendous WR stats that people have complained about... i have to admit it feels as though the AWR is low and I really have only looked at mostly 3* recruits and lower, but if this is somehow tied to the recruiting difficulty level i would have no problems setting it to Freshman and playing with house rules.

Someone who doesn't enjoy the game as much as me should look into this

# 31 kingkilla56 @ 07/27/10 04:18 PM

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Originally Posted by Phobia


	I see another one of these threads and I am going to just quit coming to the NCAA forum. Matter of fact, hell i am done with this forum. It is STUPID here!

I can guarantee with 100% of my heart that you will be missed....

# 32 bvb24 @ 07/27/10 04:20 PM

The same writer had the game for several weeks before writing his review and gave the game a 9 (exceptional.) Has the rating changed since then? He must never have gotten to year 2 of his dynasty during that time.

# 33 BIG17EASY @ 07/27/10 04:23 PM

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Originally Posted by bvb24


	The same writer had the game for several weeks before writing his review and gave the game a 9 (exceptional.) Has the rating changed since then? He must never have gotten to year 2 of his dynasty during that time.

Good catch

# 34 RaychelSnr @ 07/27/10 04:35 PM

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Originally Posted by bvb24


	The same writer had the game for several weeks before writing his review and gave the game a 9 (exceptional.) Has the rating changed since then? He must never have gotten to year 2 of his dynasty during that time.

I didn't writenthe review for the game, Christian McLeod did. If you notice I post all of the articles, but I'm certainly not writing 2-3 a day (much less under 12 different column names)

# 35 RaychelSnr @ 07/27/10 04:40 PM

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Originally Posted by BIG17EASY


	I took the original post by the OS writer as him using the "broken" recruit ratings/progression/whatever as a crutch to prop us his argument that dynasty mode is stale and needs to be overhauled. From my standpoint, the two things are mutually exclusive of each other. The ratings/progression/whatever problem would presumably be the same even if dynasty mode was focused on the coaches, as he lobbies for. And even if that problem didn't exist or is fixed, I don't think that'll satisfy what he's looking for.

They are mutually exclusive to a certain point. But the real point I'm making is that this brokenness is the result of developers trying to put a fresh coat of paint on a el camino and calling it exciting again.

For those who have played the series for a long time you'll agree: Dynasty mode, at it's core, is the exact same mode it was in 1998. The year is now 2010, I think it's time to rethink the entire process and formula dynasty has gone with for 13 years because yes, it is incredibly stale. You dont have to reinvent the wheel, but at least put some focus back into it (ie be the coach).

Right now, what are you in dynasty mode? The coach? If so then it hardly scratches the surface of the college fb coaching world and on that point alone: it's a highly flawed concept.

# 36 RaychelSnr @ 07/27/10 04:41 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Krioniq


	I posted this as a comment to the blog, but it's not showing up in the forum so forgive me for crossposting. I'm confused. Player ratings are not where they should be and that makes the mode "stale"? I think you're trying to prove a point about apples by talking about oranges. If you are going to make an argument about a game being stale, you need to address the actual mechanics of the game and how tired they may be. For example, the core football gameplay (where the most time is spent), which most everyone has thoroughly lauded, or recruiting interface, which EA changed this year, and I think for the better. Or the Dynasty Wire in Online Dynasty, which is a very underrated addition. You may have a point about something, and I want coaches to matter more as much as the next guy, but I don't think this article effectively argues that NCAA is "stale."

As I said before, it's just another symptom of an aging system in need of a reboot.

# 37 BaylorBearBryant @ 07/27/10 04:57 PM

Honestly, over the past two days, I've read the same thing about 5,000 times. There's no point to continue beating a dead horse.

Instead, I would like to know when we can realistically expect EA to get us a fix. Or how could we go about getting on their butts to correct it?

Out of all the posts on this thread, claystone's is the only one that even registered with me. He suggested EA should allow users to edit all ratings on all teams for all years. It might not be perfect, but at least he's thinking progressively.

I suggest the rest of us begin to do so...

# 38 fcboiler87 @ 07/27/10 05:01 PM

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Originally Posted by CizzLark


	Honestly, over the past two days, I've read the same thing about 5,000 times. There's no point to continue beating a dead horse. Instead, I would like to know when we can realistically expect EA to get us a fix. Or how could we go about getting on their butts to correct it? Out of all the posts on this thread, claystone's is the only one that even registered with me. He suggested EA should allow users to edit all ratings on all teams for all years. It might not be perfect

While that proposal would be a fix, it is absolutely ludracris. If EA just got things right to begin with, it would be no worry. Why should we have to fix what should have been right to begin with? Last year's game was great as far as ratings and progression. Why did it have to be changed? Were people complaining? No, not really. Now, everyone is up in arms because it has been effectively destroyed.

# 39 jfsolo @ 07/27/10 05:02 PM

I'm always disappointed when officially sanctioned writers given in and use the same tired buzz words that choke the life out of the discussions in the forums. Oh, well it is what it is.

We see now the true fallout from the ridiculousness that went on last year when there was a more prominent developer presence on the football boards. Last year we would have at least been given an acknowledgement of their awareness of the pressing issues, and a rough estimate of when it might be fixed.

This year, total silence. This is probably a smart move on their part, better to wait until they are ready to release the next patch, but for us its much more nerve wracking to have to have no idea when they might remedy the situation.

# 40 BaylorBearBryant @ 07/27/10 05:09 PM

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Originally Posted by fcboiler87


	While that proposal would be a fix, it is absolutely ludracris. If EA just got things right to begin with, it would be no worry. Why should we have to fix what should have been right to begin with? Last year's game was great as far as ratings and progression. Why did it have to be changed? Were people complaining? No, not really. Now, everyone is up in arms because it has been effectively destroyed.

So a fix is ludacris? What do you want man? For it to be right in the first place?

BREAKING NEWS! THIS JUST IN! It's a little late for that.

Let's send them a petition or a letter. Get one of the OS contacts to try and get an update. Perhaps strike up a boycott of their products. Doing that would be productive, our ranting is not.

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