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NBA Elite 11 OS Exclusive Video: Milwaukee Bucks @ New York Knicks

12:21 AM - September 2, 2010 by Steve_OS

NBA ELITE 11 is back with the first of two gameplay videos featuring 5 on 5 action. This video is a user vs. user matchup with NBA ELITE Gameplay Producer Novell Thomas taking on NBA Community Manager Yaw Obiri-Yeboah (also known as blackflash83 on the forums) . The game is being played on a Pre-final build with some tuning left to do but it provides a good representation of how the game will play once you developed your skills with the new Hands-On control.

Be sure to check out some of the quick plays being called during half court offensive sequences (press X on the 360 to begin a quick play or the Square button on PS3) and the importance of playing the passing lanes as balls can get deflected. You have complete control this year in NBA ELITE 11.

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# 221 jmood88 @ 09/02/10 09:18 AM

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Originally Posted by michaeljordanjr


	RTP is the first step towards giving us a frustration free experience. Scenarios play out in Elite the way they play out in real life. Now you won't see that from videos, but when you're in control I guarantee you will see this. RTP is really something you can't show off in these 5 on 5 videos, you could do it in an artistic commercial fashion but not through user vs user vids.

Why can't you show off physics in a user vs user game? If the physics are supposed to affect all movement and collisions on the court then it has nothing to do with who is playing. I don't see how scenarios are going to play out like they do in real life when you have players with 15 feet verticals warping through the defense for dunks or guys sliding everywhere while moving with the ball.

# 222 bmgoff11 @ 09/02/10 09:21 AM

u guys are funny on any game u can cheese 2k or elite / the game play looked smooth to me / interested in the demo now

# 223 RayDog253 @ 09/02/10 09:22 AM

Why do you guys think it was an OS exclusive????

It's pretty obvious they played they way they did cause they thought the "sim heads" of OS would appreciate that style of gameplay.

Not saying I liked the way they played the game, but that seems like a reasonable excuse.

I would of liked a more aggressive offense and defense. But the quick plays IMO was the highlight of the video.

# 224 gmac0322 @ 09/02/10 09:28 AM

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Originally Posted by RayDog253


	Why do you guys think it was an OS exclusive???? It's pretty obvious they played they way they did cause they thought the "sim heads" of OS would appreciate that style of gameplay. Not saying I liked the way they played the game, but that seems like a reasonable excuse. I would of liked a more aggressive offense and defense. But the quick plays IMO was the highlight of the video.

I agree with you completely. I also would've rather seen user vs. ai. I think once we see the computer play that is when we will see what type of game that we have.

# 225 striker3771 @ 09/02/10 09:42 AM

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Originally Posted by rudyjuly2


	It looked too deliberate. There were times when the one user could have easily drove to the basket or scored and they passed the ball around instead trying to make the game look good. You can clearly see they wanted to highlight a few things like the dribble moves and this was a much better video to watch than those other ones. But it felt too much like a promotional video trying to hide some flaws.

You took the words right out of my mouth. I've watched the video atleast 10 times to find something positive but I can't. The gameplay is stale and it plays identical to Live 10.

# 226 AceOfDavid @ 09/02/10 09:42 AM

I think they play it safe not a lot of action

# 227 Da-Man @ 09/02/10 09:49 AM

1) I didnt like the pace of the game, thought it was too slow compared to the other vids.

2) Commentary sounds boring but i guess thats because this is the first time those guys are doing it so i expect next year to be a lot better.
Also the begging cutscene with the guys warming up is the same as last year... didnt the community guys make some suggestions to EA concerning improving presentation?

3) Gameplay, rebounding, dribbling and animations from what iv seen so far looked smoother and better than live 10.

# 228 elprez98 @ 09/02/10 09:56 AM

OK I'm going to break this down into points that I liked and disliked as I notice them. I've watched the vid 3 times before even beginning and on this 4th time, I'll notate things that liked and didn't like. I also haven't read anything in this thread before posting.

1. The game looked paced a lot better than the Venice Beach videos. I'm not really sure what we were seeing in the capture, but this looks like a much slower, realistically paced game.

2. It can easily, be seen that you have a lot of control as a ball handler. The one-to-one movements look exactly what I liked about Live 10.

3. i especially like the off-ball movement by the computer. It seemed very lifelike and realistic to have the players constantly moving around the court, trying to get open.

4. The look of the MSG in the intro is very nice. It looks realistic and gets you hyped up for the game, as it should.

5. All of the announcers sound dead and uninterested. There needs to be a bit more coaching of these guys to sound more similar to what they do on TV.

6. The interaction of the players on picks, annoys me. There doesn't seem to be a realistic interaction as players set the picks.

7. At 1:30, again, the layup animation by Jennings is just ugly. I just don't see Brandon laying it up with his right hand on the left side, and he sort of "mini" rocket layups to basket. It just doesn't look nice.

8. 1:45, loved the play for Gallinari. It was well run. Its nice to see the play develop and a player get rewarded for good play.

9. 2

I'm sounding like a broken record, but I'm not sure what the Salmons drive was supposed to be. I'm guessing that the RTP kicked in, but it made him throw up a reverse, airballed, no look layup? I didn't like that AT ALL. I'm sure fouls were turned off to optimize the amount of game play that could be shown in a five minute clip. So with that little caveat, I guess I can live with it.

10. 2:25: Gallanari is not bringing the ball up the court with through the legs and behind the back dribbles. I think that will be one of the things that bothers me the most about this new direction for Live. Although total control is good, I just don't like seeing guys doing things in the game, that they wouldn't do in an NBA game (i'm sure they all can perform these moves, if you saw them on the playground).

11. 2:53: I didn't like the hopstep by Jennings. It looks like he just hopsteps around/through the the defender completely unnaturally. That looks like something that could be abused in the game.

12. 3:13: I LOVED the post move by Gallanari. It was seemless and the contact under the hoop looked VERY nice.

13. 3:45: I really liked how Bogut tried to defend baseline and slipped on the over-pursuit. Those are the little things that need to continue popping up for Elite to maintain competition.

14. I'm just noticing, I know its early, but the crowd doesn't seem very lifelike. There's some atmosphere missing here.

15. 3:50: On Amare's postup there was sound and Amare's body signaling contact, but no RTP involving Bogut. He's just standing there unfazed. Didn't like that.

16. 4:14: Maggette's dunk looked real nice.

Definitely a video that EA needed to show. I like what I'm seeing from a control standpoint, however, personally, I need more authentic NBA. Right now, I see a game that could be a nice overall basketball game, but doesn't really feel like an NBA game. I'm still reserving final judgment for the demo, but I just don't see spending a full $60 on this game yet. I'd probably buy it used, although paying $10 to play online isn't too appealing either.

The game controls look good, especially the post game. But TO ME, despite the NBA logo, arena, player names, etc., the game still comes off as a generic brand of basketball.

# 229 NDIrish98 @ 09/02/10 10:09 AM

As a person who liked nba live last year, this video to me looks worse than live 10.and I think all of it has to do with the player models and animations because honestly neither looked good, in fact, I think both parts g ame took way too much of a hit. Just looks like a step back to me. And another thing that irks me is why sports games, not all but most, almost always reuse the same cut scenes or some of the same cut scenes year in and year out? As a consumer if I'm going to buy a"new" game I really don't want to see the same stuff that was in last years version. Not sure about the way elite is looking this season

# 230 brs2305 @ 09/02/10 10:21 AM

First of...I really don't like the money talk (shouldn't be worth 60$). Yeah I know it's an issue for a lot of people and many of you are going to flame me, which is ok. I can live with that.

But for me it just sounds like all the Devs working on this product havn't put enough work into this product so they are not worth the 60 bucks. I just think, if you don't like it than don't buy it. But saying that it should just be like 40 bucks (not even mentioned that it includes a great looking second game) is like saying this game is as worse as "Garden Simulator 2010". It will not be as worse and I might bet that some might even change their mind after the demo.

This is how I look at the game. I was really not impressed, rather disappointed after my first watch. Next thing I did was reading this whole thread and asked myself, how come some people actually liked some things, who I know are no fanboys of any kind. So I thought about NBA Live 10, which in my opinion was pretty enjoyable aside many facts that just killed the game in the long run.

One of the major thing was the canned animation problem in the paint. The CPU or for that matter anybody could just run into the paint and 3 out of 4 times they would draw a foul in an ugly animation with sightly raised foul sliders (which you need for realistic foul amount in 48 min). Now with RTP, I have a feeling that this might not be such big issue. In this game there was no foul called, however I also haven't seen anything that should have been.

The other thing was, that while in an animation you totally lost control of your player. I hadn't had that feeling that either user lost control at any time, which is a huge pro for ELITE.

So actually there might be too major points solved or at least changed to the better.

However on the defensive end I haven't seen much greatness in that matter. Maybe that's a user issue, however who if not a dev could present that part of the game in a good way at that point. For the most part I felt they had serious problems to stay effectively in front of their opponent, which was just not expoited by the other user.

Also it looked like the users were really trying hard to represent the game so it looks like a realistic NBA game, which like many others saw, resulted in broken up fastbreaks and a forced halfcourt game, which is actually kind of weird b/c the transition game in Live 10 had been a weak part, so they actually could have shown us a great improvement made in ELITE.

I think MJJr said people shouldn't worry too much about the graphics. Well while I would say I do prefer a great game over graphics (hell, I still love CHOOPS2k8 like crazy) I think we kinda arrived at the year 2010 and while I think they made some good (not great) improvement in Live 10 I still don't understand why things in ELITE still look plain dead. Honestly, sometimes I felt there was more life in the crowd (actually looks like out of The Sims 3

but better than in L10) than in the players. I mean I am by far not an expert on that topic, but aren't graphics and gameplay two different and especially independently treaded stories? Please correct me if I am wrong, but I don't think much has chanced until Live 10 and now it looks even more dead. Wrong lighting? Cartoonish colors? Wrong graphics engine? I have no idea. I am just a user, there is no life in live, well excuse ELITE, and that's pretty sad, especially if you want to build a story out of your Dynasty. So I hope this IS something they are also looking at for next year.

There are many things I could go into detail, which is rather pointless however concerning presentation and commentary. We will see about that at a later point.

I think the point I am trying to make is. While I also have many things I am kinda disappointed with I think people should give devs a chance to prove that they can create a great looking and playing Basketballgame and not bury it before they have actually played it. Try the Demo and then walk to your PC and ARGUE about what you liked, what you disliked, what you want to be added. Talking naively offensive about a game will not make it better. It's not the 2k forum where you can complain about wrong colored headbands. It's ELITE and OS is part of building a new game with EA, which will take a little time. Come on guys

# 231 elprez98 @ 09/02/10 10:31 AM

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Originally Posted by brs2305


	First of...I really don't like the money talk (shouldn't be worth 60$). Yeah I know it's an issue for a lot of people and many of you are going to flame me, which is ok. I can live with that. But for me it just sounds like all the Devs working on this product havn't put enough work into this product so they are not worth the 60 bucks. I just think, if you don't like it than don't buy it. But saying that it should just be like 40 bucks (not even mentioned that it includes a great looking second game) is like saying this game is as worse as "Garden Simulator 2010". It will not be as worse and I might bet that some might even change their mind after the demo.

So either buy it for at full price or don't buy it at all? That doesn't make sense.

# 232 thesniper321 @ 09/02/10 10:36 AM

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Originally Posted by michaeljordanjr


	@fatleg3, exactly my point... which is why when people play the demo they will say "ahah!" "Eureka!" No more sucked in animations, control over everything and physics to realistically calculate outcomes of collisions and penetrating finishes. Focus on positives and negatives of what Elite 11 CAN DO and not what it cant do - i.e. 1000 animations, photo-real skin textures and lighting etc.. etc... Appreciate that most of Live 10 frustrations have been removed...and say thanks.

Thanks

# 233 cree ross @ 09/02/10 10:46 AM

its a better video(quality,slower gameplay) but i'm still seeing wonky movements.I think they shouldve held off from showing ANY video until everything was right

# 234 brs2305 @ 09/02/10 10:46 AM

Well it kinda does. People decide on their own how much worth a product is to them. I've heard plenty of times that games "would" buy a great game three times or more. Does it make sense, well no, but they would sacrafice 180$ for that single game. In Elites case many people wouldn't sacrafice 60$ which is ok, but that does mean you buy it or not. Because EA decided the work that went into the product is worth that money and concidering how much human work was put into this game it probably is.

# 235 thesniper321 @ 09/02/10 10:49 AM

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Originally Posted by eye guy


	I don't know why they moved away from this http://www.easports.com/media/play/video/33604851 http://www.easports.com/media/play/video/33782202 I thought they were adding to Live 10!? Imo, the only thing that looks better is the crowd... WTF? I ain't selling Live 10 anytime soon.

I don't understand what you're trying to say ...
Everything you show is still there it will just take MORE skills than pressing a button to perform those moves, is there a problem??

# 236 elprez98 @ 09/02/10 10:54 AM

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Originally Posted by brs2305


	Well it kinda does. People decide on their own how much worth a product is to them. I've heard plenty of times that games "would" buy a great game three times or more. Does it make sense, well no, but they would sacrafice 180$ for that single game. In Elites case many people wouldn't sacrafice 60$ which is ok, but that does mean you buy it or not. Because EA decided the work that went into the product is worth that money and concidering how much human work was put into this game it probably is.

I don't understand your point. If I can wait 2 months and the game is $30-40, I'll still buy it, just not at a $60 price point.

# 237 brs2305 @ 09/02/10 10:54 AM

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Originally Posted by oOausarOo


	I hear people say the users were playing deliberately? Am I missing something, isn't that how most of you 'sim' guys play? I agree the Knicks user especially should have been more uptempo, but they were more focused on showing the game played in a certain manner. What they did makes perfect sense to me. They wanted to show how the game plays in that style in contrast to the frantic/casual style we saw in the leaked vids.

I get your point but I think they play so deliberately that they actually forgot to exploit the mistakes which not sim at all. Playing Sim (in my opinion) doesn't mean forcing your team to play halfcourt all the time. If I have plays that work against an opponent I will exploit them until he gets it. And, just to be clear. Exploiting in this case (for me, of course) is Sim, as long as the opponent has the tools to do something against it, but doesn't use them due to lack of ability. So if the CPU just doesn't know how to defend some special move of certain play in general it wouldn't be Sim to abuse that, b/c the CPU just doesn't have the tools to do so, so I wouldn't.

# 238 infamyice @ 09/02/10 10:57 AM

2k Got this easy this year. I'm not really feeling this episode this year. I don't see nothing "elite" about it. I see everything that is mentioned, but it's just not my cup of tea

# 239 brs2305 @ 09/02/10 10:59 AM

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Originally Posted by elprez98


	I don't understand your point. If I can wait 2 months and the game is $30-40, I'll still buy it, just not at a $60 price point.

Exactly. You are totally right, b/c you are waiting 2 months you can buy it at 30 or 40$. BUT you sacrificed 2 months of playing, which means this game is not worth it for you to pay 20 or 30$ more to play it 2 months ahead of others, and not to mention the game is used, which is another point.

# 240 sportyguyfl31 @ 09/02/10 11:02 AM

The court spacing is excellent as usual. That's always been EA's strength.

Post game looks smoother then last year.

Like what I am seeing with the on ball defense..and the ball handler acknowledging your position

Hop step is kind of wonky looking

Atmosphere seems bland, and the game has no life to it whasoever.

On the court, though, there is some very good sim elements that I see...but the game is lacking that "omph".

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