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Madden NFL Designers Podcast #4 w/ Special Guest, Pasta Padre Available Now

05:13 PM - December 23, 2010 by Steve_OS

In Madden NFL Designers Podcast #4, Ian Cummings and Donny Moore take a look at the football gaming industry as a whole with special guest, Pasta Padre.

If you have problems, try this link. The audio does seem to drop in and out on occasion.

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# 21 carnalnirvana @ 12/24/10 11:48 AM

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Originally Posted by morieeel


	I get the feeling that mentioning offline franchise in the Tiburon office is like yelling Voldemort @ Hogswart.

# 22 splff3000 @ 12/24/10 01:07 PM

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Originally Posted by TDKing


	I didn't listen to the podcast and don't want to, but I do have one question. Are we going to have a real online franchise mode in 12 ? You know a finsished product. Salary cap, trade logic etc...

I'm wondering the same thing. It seems they don't realize that the reason people don't play it is because it's not finished. It's more of a "season" mode than an actual "franchise" mode.

# 23 kjcheezhead @ 12/24/10 01:19 PM

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Originally Posted by splff3000


	I'm wondering the same thing. It seems they don't realize that the reason people don't play it is because it's not finished. It's more of a "season" mode than an actual "franchise" mode.

The 3rd podcast stated that online franchise was a long-term goal. I took that to mean it won't see much improvement next year and I was criticized heavily for saying that pretty much killed a lot of my interest in 12 already.

It's only December, no official news has been released yet and in this podcast they noted how the community is split between strictly offline and strictly online gamers. If they totally ignore online and concentrate strictly on offline franchise, I have a feeling they will get the same reaction from the community Madden 11 got, only in reverse and I think they would like to avoid that scenario.

# 24 jjsmitty34 @ 12/24/10 01:28 PM

Hmmm, I wonder how hard it would be for them to just mod HC 09 into Madden 11 for the offline players and down the road make it for the online crowd.

Making HC09's franchise online would be a daunting task so make that the long term goal for madden 13 or 14 but please give us offline players some love...

I have faith in Ian and crew, they can get this done...

# 25 Rules @ 12/24/10 01:48 PM

As a gamer I look for these priorities:

~ Getting the big and important parts right
~ The little things that can impact the game
~ The little things that add something new each time I play either in the form of commentary, different stadium touches or things that stand out.

~Avoid the gimmicks as that is what Madden has come to be known for.
~Avoid dummying down the game for those who really don't care. To us Sim vets it becomes not only frustrating but an insult.

Year to year there has to be improvements instead of removing features that many of come to love. You don't have to have a huge staff or tons of money. NFL 2k, NBA 2k and MLB The Show never had a huge staff to understand what the gamers want. This is where I believe the staff of EA have lost touch and instead went after the wrong market. Madden was built on being a fun, challenging Sim.

"EA Sports...it's in the game." Those days are gone thus the hit in the consumer market. The key aspects are what people look for:

The main parts:

1) Offense
2) Defense

The presentation parts:

3) Dynamic commentary
4) Changing weather
5) Pre, halftime, end shows

Graphics:

Put me down as one who could care less about the graphics and more about how the game plays and feels with presentation. Play the above listed games and you will see what is being or was done right. It begins with the right game plan and then successfully implementing it without the hype and gimmicks that gamers have become tired of.

Merry Christmas Ian, staff and OS families!

# 26 TDKing @ 12/24/10 02:22 PM

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Originally Posted by kjcheezhead


	The 3rd podcast stated that online franchise was a long-term goal. I took that to mean it won't see much improvement next year and I was criticized heavily for saying that pretty much killed a lot of my interest in 12 already.It's only December, no official news has been released yet and in this podcast they noted how the community is split between strictly offline and strictly online gamers. If they totally ignore online and concentrate strictly on offline franchise, I have a feeling they will get the same reaction from the community Madden 11 got, only in reverse and I think they would like to avoid that scenario.

Well if online franchise is not fixed in 12 it will be another year of NO MADDEN for me and my friends, but that's ok, cause each year it gets easier and easier to go with out plus I save 60 bucks!
The other thing I notice is the people that want a good online mode never say to ditch or ignore the offline mode but alot of the offline peeps what no improvements done to the online mode at all. I myself get bored real fast playing the CPU and that's the reason I want a fully functioning online franchise mode so I can play online with my friends and not randoms.
Why can't we have both ? A great offline franchise that functions the same online! Heck if they would have fixed online to be just like offline in 11 we would have been happy and bought the game. Oh, and I don't by this long term drag it bullcrap!!!! Stop it EA

and give the people what they want!!!

# 27 kenliving @ 12/24/10 05:02 PM

Online Franchise was my favourite feature of Madden 10 and the fact they didn't improve it AT ALL (despite saying they would) meant I sold Madden 11 a few weeks. I mean, how much fun can you have playing the same thing over and over for 18 months now.

If there's no improvement in Madden 12 either, I can say for certain I won't be wasting my money on it.

# 28 cdon2k @ 12/25/10 12:42 AM

Sadly, I have little hope for Madden 12. With every podcast they are setting expectations lower and lower. To my understanding, Ian and co. are saying they will work on offline franchise and online play primarily for Madden 12. It's unfortunate because I believe online franchise is the future of football games/Madden. This game is so far behind schedule (6 yrs. in and we only have a "decent" game to speak of) that it will take until Madden 14 just to get the game to where it needs to be without even mentioning a total physics redo. Where do I see Madden by '14? A great game, not revolutionary, but great.

The best thing EA/Tib could do to be that revolutionary game is give in and buy the backbreaker engine that natrual motion is so eager to sell and Madden becomes revolutionary by Madden 12.... YES I said Madden 12. Even with the "frankenchise" that exists in Madden 11 put into the backbreaker engine with Madden 11 breakaway animations (break tackles), you have a great revolutionary game for '12. Just do it EA.

# 29 Ian_Cummings @ 12/25/10 01:24 AM

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Originally Posted by cdon2k


	Sadly, I have little hope for Madden 12. With every podcast they are setting expectations lower and lower. To my understanding, Ian and co. are saying they will work on offline franchise and online play primarily for Madden 12. It's unfortunate because I believe online franchise is the future of football games/Madden. This game is so far behind schedule (6 yrs. in and we only have a "decent" game to speak of) that it will take until Madden 14 just to get the game to where it needs to be without even mentioning a total physics redo. Where do I see Madden by '14? A great game, not revolutionary, but great. The best thing EA/Tib could do to be that revolutionary game is give in and buy the backbreaker engine that natrual motion is so eager to sell and Madden becomes revolutionary by Madden 12.... YES I said Madden 12. Even with the "frankenchise" that exists in Madden 11 put into the backbreaker engine with Madden 11 breakaway animations (break tackles), you have a great revolutionary game for '12. Just do it EA.

Just FYI, we are super wary of generating any "hype" because of all the criticism that comes with that...which will explain why these aren't big sales pitches but much more scaled down and just talking about decision making.

# 30 oneamongthefence @ 12/25/10 03:31 AM

Ian, its too late to be up on forums. Shouldn't you be having a little bit of holiday cheer and holiday spirits. I enjoy the pocasts and I believe the hype that is generated is due to its past. .not many games boast 20 plus years of history.

# 31 Jd_Seven @ 12/25/10 06:12 AM

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Originally Posted by 31


	Curious why he would ask about Madden 14 in general. I haven't got to listen yet so I don't know the context.

I think 2013 is when EA's Licensing agreement with the NFL ends.

# 32 adembroski @ 12/25/10 06:45 AM

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Originally Posted by 31


	Curious why he would ask about Madden 14 in general. I haven't got to listen yet so I don't know the context.

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Originally Posted by LiquorLogic


	Yeah, he could've asked about Madden 13, or 15, but he asked about Madden 14. That's three years away; why ask about that ? Could it be that Madden 14 comes out after the license is up ?

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Originally Posted by Jd_Seven


	I think 2013 is when EA's Licensing agreement with the NFL ends.

This is why people overreact to everything they say. He grabbed a number out of the air, there's no special significance to it. Just picking a Madden that's a ways off. Pasta got that, as he referred to the general direction of sports gaming. You guys are trying to be too smart by half.

# 33 dirtguru @ 12/25/10 10:49 AM

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Originally Posted by adembroski


	This is why people overreact to everything they say. He grabbed a number out of the air, there's no special significance to it. Just picking a Madden that's a ways off. Pasta got that, as he referred to the general direction of sports gaming. You guys are trying to be too smart by half.

Exactly........

# 34 bjm2210 @ 12/25/10 12:15 PM

i'll be happy if atleast they fix these offline franchise issues:

1.Drafting Logic and better pre generated drafts no 6-0 200 lbs Quarterbacks and if there are make them few and far between (ex. Vick, Brees, Daniel, Smith) and better rated players
2.Progression - Basically get rid of it, use performance based progression like before
3.Can we say create-a-team names - i don't think this will ever be addressed however they could do what 2k does and give suggestions so for example pre-record like 50 big cities that dont have nfl teams and so if we use those cities they will say them. same thing with the team names i know that if i make the team Los Angeles Mother F#$%&%S it shouldn't say that

If they atleast do that i'll be satisfied. not done but satisfied but only if they can fix gameplay, give me great gameplay and this year's franchise with those fixes il be fine

When they say a complete overhaul of offline franchise it scares me. everytime they bring drastic change theres always the chance it could be ruined

# 35 cdon2k @ 12/25/10 01:16 PM

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Originally Posted by Ian_Cummings_EA


	Just FYI, we are super wary of generating any "hype" because of all the criticism that comes with that...which will explain why these aren't big sales pitches but much more scaled down and just talking about decision making.

Oh, I thought this the best podcast yet and I actually kind of felt bad by being a bit negative on that post, but I have been down a bit on Madden because I have already lost interest in '11. It is disappointing to me because I would like for the game to last through at least the nfl season, if not all year.

At first, I was against buying the backbreaker tech because I understand what starting over would mean and I thought that this could be more of a "next gen" thing. That is until MS and Sony decided to push this generation out to like 8-9 years. I don't think either of them are in a rush to get a new system out so maybe the time to make a change is now instead of later. I think with Tibs football knowhow and a powerful Natural Motion Engine, you guys could get back to competing with the Call of Duty's of the world.

# 36 mavfan21 @ 12/25/10 02:16 PM

Total offline Franchise player here.

things have gotten better each year and the team has shown a HUGE commitment to work with and listen to the community.

I have faith that Madden 12 will be a great improvement. thanks, Ian and co.

# 37 dannyr326 @ 12/25/10 11:46 PM

After listening to that it just seems like the team has no direction. You clearly see that they are puzzled on what sector to focus on for future Maddens. It really pisses me off that they dont just know to try and just represent real football in the game. Make it as REAL as possible (however you have to do that) and everyone will love it.

On top of that, Pastapadre, a respected game "critic'' whatever you call him has the golden oppurtunity to actually talk one-on-one with the dev team and he doesnt give any concrete, or specific wishes.

Ian: Hey Pasta if you could just imagine what Madden NFL 14 would look like? What would you picture? What would love to see in a future madden game down the road?

Pastapadre: I dont know. Just make it more social. increase the social aspect. just make it better all-around.WTF

Why can't he just say something meaningful? Its not about features. Sure all the features from previous gen would be nice, but its about core gameplay. Pastapadre could have said focus on tackling, or improve wide-receiver/ cornerback play, or just bring back the fun on defense. ANYTHING SUBSTANTIAL. But I did listen to it last night and I dont think he mentioned anything specific that the team could focus on.

Oh next year we'll have GAMEFLOW 2.0 !! Oh yeahhhhh!!!! Pitiful.......

# 38 dannyr326 @ 12/25/10 11:54 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rules


	As a gamer I look for these priorities: ~ Getting the big and important parts right ~ The little things that can impact the game ~ The little things that add something new each time I play either in the form of commentary, different stadium touches or things that stand out. ~Avoid the gimmicks as that is what Madden has come to be known for. ~Avoid dummying down the game for those who really don't care. To us Sim vets it becomes not only frustrating but an insult. Year to year there has to be improvements instead of removing features that many of come to love. You don't have to have a huge staff or tons of money. NFL 2k, NBA 2k and MLB The Show never had a huge staff to understand what the gamers want. This is where I believe the staff of EA have lost touch and instead went after the wrong market. Madden was built on being a fun, challenging Sim. "EA Sports...it's in the game." Those days are gone thus the hit in the consumer market. The key aspects are what people look for: The main parts: 1) Offense 2) Defense The presentation parts: 3) Dynamic commentary 4) Changing weather 5) Pre, halftime, end shows Graphics: Put me down as one who could care less about the graphics and more about how the game plays and feels with presentation. Play the above listed games and you will see what is being or was done right. It begins with the right game plan and then successfully implementing it without the hype and gimmicks that gamers have become tired of. Merry Christmas Ian, staff and OS families!

Well said, my man. lol. Just focus on the basic aspects of football and people will love the game.

# 39 marshallfever @ 12/26/10 12:06 AM

I actually listened to this podcast, not entirely though, probably missed the last 10 mins. But the overall tone and feel of the podcast was alright. These guys are down to earth gamers just like we are, they're striving to not only create an awesome football game because of the fans, but also for themselves.

Like dannyr326 said, it was sort of sad not to see a specific direction being taken, but i'm pretty sure they know what they want to do and have already started on that, its just us the fans who aren't aware of it just yet. I would love to get a look at the daily meetings or conversations that go on in those offices just for the fun of it.

# 40 N51_rob @ 12/26/10 12:21 AM

Enjoyed the podcast for what it was. Hope that we can get an OS guy involved in the future.

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