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Madden Creative Director, Ian Cummings is Leaving Tiburon

03:05 PM - April 12, 2011 by Benicio10

According to PastaPadre, Ian Cummings, Creative Director of the Madden franchise, is leaving Tiburon.

He also states there are quite a few other big names going with him.

What do you think about this news?

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# 281 SageInfinite @ 04/13/11 08:17 PM

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Originally Posted by lofeazy


	great post. I always think it was a talent issue.We'll find out if this new company make's it big are not.

Thanx. I don't think we'll ever get the true madden story, and honestly call me negative, but I don't think EA will ever provide a football game I find impressive. Ncaa 11 and Madden 10 were improvements, and were certainly the most solid efforts this gen, but neither impressed me.

# 282 djordan @ 04/13/11 08:20 PM

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Originally Posted by SageInfinite


	Thanx. I don't think we'll ever get the true madden story, and honestly call me negative, but I don't think EA will ever provide a football game I find impressive. Ncaa 11 and Madden 10 were improvements, and were certainly the most solid efforts this gen, but neither impressed me.

I agree......

# 283 bkrich83 @ 04/13/11 08:38 PM

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Originally Posted by Cre8


	I think when you pour $60 a pop into a piece of entertainment year after year and see minimal improvement in the product (IE - offline franchise mode) and you have no other choice for an NFL game you should be granted a lil grace in complaints.

I never get thus logic. If 60 bucks is a big expenditure for you and the game doesn't meet your standards year after year why is it EA's fault you keep giving them your money?

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Originally Posted by Cre8


	As far as telling someone to their face rather than over a keyboard (as I type* this), I must say I have NO problem telling anyone to their face exactly how I feel at any given point.*

Everyone on the Internet says this. I doubt it's true in most of not all cases.

# 284 SageInfinite @ 04/13/11 08:45 PM

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Originally Posted by lofeazy


	I actually rented and like NCAA11 this year.(frist NCAA game since last gen.)

I like it too. I brought it instead of Madden this year, it still doesn't impress me as a football game or a sports game this year though.

# 285 bkrich83 @ 04/13/11 08:48 PM

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Originally Posted by LiquorLogic


	They're meaningless in the trenches, are they not ? Can you stone wall Suh with a player that weight 160 lbs. ? Are you telling me that you haven't seen all of the video footage proving this fact. Meaning a little bit, AKA something, is basically the same as meaning nothing. If you want to get hung up on words, enjoy yourself.

I definitely noticed a difference in performance in the trenches based on ratings.

As far as the videos. I don't put a lot of stock in setting up tests to make the game do what it was never intended to do.

I thought the game this year was mediocre and I'd love to get 2k back but I am not going to go out of my way to to do all this stupid YouTube crap like or whatever his name was. Nothing better about seeing a guy who can't even spell the word physics complain about physics in a video game like Apexis or ryanmoody.

# 286 jeremym480 @ 04/13/11 08:54 PM

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Originally Posted by bkrich83


	I never get thus logic. If 60 bucks is a big expenditure for you and the game doesn't meet your standards year after year why is it EA's fault you keep giving them your money?

Not to mention if your at least the least bit consumer savvy, you should be able to find the most sports games now days for cheaper than $60. Heck Last year I got both NCAA & Madden for $49 straight from EA. I got NBA 2K11 for $40 less than a week after it was released. I ordered The Show 11 for $50 one day after release and a ton of people ordered it for $36 one day later.

Finding deals really isn't that hard at all. That, the reason you mentioned and the fact that people can rent first (or play the demo) so they can make their own educated buying decision but, choose not too--Are the reasons why I have zero sympathy for the guys who come on here and bitch and moan about wasting their precious $60.

# 287 bkrich83 @ 04/13/11 08:55 PM

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Originally Posted by LiquorLogic


	And if the company doesn't succeed and take off ? In this economy, trading financial stability at EA to be one of the top people in a start up company doesn't seem worth the risk to me. What about you ? I could see if he was accepting a better position at another company that was also established, like Mike Wang, but he isn't.

this is the second day in a row you've said ridiculous stuff lime this. Do you work in the corporate world? This risk is worth it for some people. People give up high paying 6 figure jobs to go to startups where you've got the potential to literally make millions of dollars if things break your way. Hell I've done exactly that. it's lie your really digging to try to find some issue with Ian and I don't understand why. These kinds of moves happen every day in the corporate world. Particularly in the technology sector.

# 288 bkrich83 @ 04/13/11 08:57 PM

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Originally Posted by SageInfinite


	I like it too. I brought it instead of Madden this year, it still doesn't impress me as a football game or a sports game this year though.

Sage your my man and all but I'll be honest I had a blast with NCAA this year. Madden was a meh experience but NCAA held my attention like no dad game since NCAA '04

# 289 bkrich83 @ 04/13/11 08:58 PM

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Originally Posted by RememberMe12


	You might want to make a complete sentences before you discuss someone else's grammar. Just looking out for you. :-)

iPad issues. Typing more than one word sentences and them editing them is a challenge. Autocorrect doesn't make matters any easier.

# 290 djordan @ 04/13/11 09:09 PM

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Originally Posted by bkrich83


	iPad issues. Typing more than one word sentences and them editing them is a challenge. Autocorrect doesn't make matters any easier.

Excuses.... JK

# 291 SageInfinite @ 04/13/11 09:32 PM

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Originally Posted by bkrich83


	Sage your my man and all but I'll be honest I had a blast with NCAA this year. Madden was a meh experience but NCAA held my attention like no dad game since NCAA '04

Right back at ya BK, you know we go back

. I too had fun with NCAA, and I totally agree with it being the most fun since 04. With that being said it still didn't impress like The Show and 2K11 did on the field(court). The presentation is outdated, and the game is full of alot of goofy animations and awkward situations, which every game is to a point, but EA football games stand out more than others IMO. It still doesn't give me that authentic feeling like the others games I mentioned.

Now that doesn't mean I didn't play the hell out of it(I still do), but standing next to the other games, it just doesn't do the job. Now I will say it may impress as far as EA football games go this gen, but really is that saying much?

My apologies if I derailed the thread.

# 292 SageInfinite @ 04/13/11 09:43 PM

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Originally Posted by LiquorLogic


	If you buy cheeseburger, from the only place that sells cheeseburgers, and you don't like it, you'll be upset. When you decide not to buy a cheeseburger, from the only place in the galaxy that sells them, you've saved your money, but you're either still hungry, or you had eat pizza, tacos, something from a deli, or whatever else you didn't feel like eating. Don't you have the right to be mad at the owner of the business who made it so their cheeseburger is the only cheeseburger you have the opportunity to eat, and the cook, who year after year, fails to make a cheeseburger to your liking. Don't you have the right to be even more upset when a the cook tells you it can't be done, when you know for a fact that it's been done before ? It's eat a cheeseburger that tastes like crap, or give up cheeseburgers. We, as customers, want a choice, and what I described above is not a choice; it's a dilemma.

I dont think the cheeseburger tastes like crap, it just isn't as realistic as some of the other cheeseburgers before it

# 293 TracerBullet @ 04/13/11 09:48 PM

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Originally Posted by SageInfinite


	I dont think the cheeseburger tastes like crap, it just isn't as realistic as some of the other cheeseburgers before it .

# 294 Dog @ 04/13/11 09:57 PM

Madden =/= Cheeseburger.

# 295 Other Guy @ 04/13/11 10:05 PM

A few thoughts...

None of us really know how it is behind the scenes, and I think only time will tell. We will have to give the new lead designer 2-3 years, and see where Madden is then. If huge improvements are made or if we're dealing with the same issues should be a good indicator of who's holding Madden back right now.
A big part of Ian's tenure that I hardly see mentioned was fixing Ortiz's mess that he left behind. It's not like he took over a top of the line product. He took a game that was in shambles (08), and took it to decent (09) and then to actually pretty good (10). That alone is a big accomplishment, IMO.
Who they choose for the new lead designer will be HUGE. If it's someone from the current Madden team, we may not see too many big changes, since this Madden is a product of their work. If they hire someone from outside of this group then there's no telling where Madden may go from here.

# 296 SageInfinite @ 04/13/11 10:11 PM

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Originally Posted by LiquorLogic


	So you're getting a cheeseburger with a bunch of fillers. Wouldn't a cheeseburger with some grade A beef be nice right about now ?

Oh yes I would love nothing more than a grade A beef cheeseburger, and I don't even eat red meat!

Seriously though, I see the point you were trying to get across. We all for the most part are on the same side, we just want a better quality of football game. We all get caught up in our own agendas(mine is presentation/animations, others are franchise and other off the field logic), we just have to remember we all want the same thing in the grand scheme of things.

If most of us hate madden we wouldn't be here in the 1st place. We just want a more realistic representation, that I feel we have been deprived of since the license. Just my opinion though. I would love for Madden to totally knock me out of me seat this year.

# 297 bkrich83 @ 04/13/11 10:16 PM

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Originally Posted by LiquorLogic


	If you buy cheeseburger, from the only place that sells cheeseburgers, and you don't like it, you'll be upset. When you decide not to buy a cheeseburger, from the only place in the galaxy that sells them, you've saved your money, but you're either still hungry, or you had eat pizza, tacos, something from a deli, or whatever else you didn't feel like eating. Don't you have the right to be mad at the owner of the business who made it so their cheeseburger is the only cheeseburger you have the opportunity to eat. Shouldn't you also be mad at the cook, who year after year, fails to make a cheeseburger to your liking ? Don't you have the right to be even more upset when a the cook tells you it can't be done, when you know for a fact that it's been done before ? It's eat a cheeseburger that tastes like crap, or give up cheeseburgers. We, as customers, want a choice, and what I described above is not a choice; it's a dilemma.

And so the agenda becomes clear.

No I wouldn't get upset. I would simply stop eating cheeseburgers. If they wanted my business they'd improve their product. If they don't I'd move on. I certainly would't keep throwing good money after bad if they made a product I didn't like, and I knew they made a product I didn't like. If I keep buying cheeseburgers, knowing I don't like them, then that's on me, not the cook or the chef or resturaunt.

It goes down to the how many times do you have to burn your hand before you learn. If you keep spending your money over and over and over again, on something that you don't like, that's quite simply your fault.

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Originally Posted by LiquorLogic


	So you wouldn't go out of you way to illustrate the things that are wrong with the game. That's your choice, but does your choice invalidate what they are saying ? You said it yourself: Madden was mediocre. Poking fun at their spelling doesn't change that. Weight means nothing in the trenches.The tackles get no push. The interactions are too clean : the dlineman either beats the tackle cleanly, or they both start courting each with some ball-room dancing. There are no animations where the offensive lineman stays in between but loses ground; there is no vertical interaction, only horizontal. It's been this way for years and I refuse to believe that the "suits" are to blame for that. I refuse to believe that more money was allocated to the development of other games in the past. Take consecutive-hit tackling for an example: it's in the ps2 version. You mean to tell me that EA is spending more money on a last gen title ?

Didn't poke fun at his spelling. I poked fun at the fact he was going on and on about physics, and the guy really has no idea what physics really are.

As I said, I could certainly see that ratings did indeed matter for line play.

From the past few days, it's become quite obvious you really know nothing about software development. I am not sure what the spending more money on this or that means. If you have techincal issues, simply throwing more bodies and cash at the problems does not mean they are going to get fixed. Software development simply doesn't work that way.

It's quite obvious you don't like the game, never will. It's also quite obvious as to what your endgame is. Why you spend so much time and effort ranting about something you don't like, I don't get. It's a hobby as soon as it stops being fun, move on.

# 298 PVarck31 @ 04/13/11 10:20 PM

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Originally Posted by SageInfinite


	Oh yes I would love nothing more than a grade A beef cheeseburger, and I don't even eat red meat! Seriously though, I see the point you were trying to get across. We all for the most part are on the same side, we just want a better quality of football game. We all get caught up in our own agendas(mine is presentation/animations, others are franchise and other off the field logic), we just have to remember we all want the same thing in the grand scheme of things. If most of us hate madden we wouldn't be here in the 1st place. We just want a more realistic representation, that I feel we have been deprived of since the license. Just my opinion though. I would love for Madden to totally knock me out of me seat this year.

This is very well said. And like some say, I would read again. And I just did.

# 299 bkrich83 @ 04/13/11 10:20 PM

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Originally Posted by Other Guy


	A few thoughts... [*]Who they choose for the new lead designer will be HUGE. If it's someone from the current Madden team, we may not see too many big changes, since this Madden is a product of their work. If they hire someone from outside of this group then there's no telling where Madden may go from here.[/list]

I disagree with this. With a title this big, with such a large amount of different groups working on the project, I am skeptical how much impact the lead designer really has/had.

Just a guess on my end obviously but I don't think the impact is that big.

# 300 bkrich83 @ 04/13/11 10:22 PM

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Originally Posted by SageInfinite


	Oh yes I would love nothing more than a grade A beef cheeseburger, and I don't even eat red meat! Seriously though, I see the point you were trying to get across. We all for the most part are on the same side, we just want a better quality of football game. We all get caught up in our own agendas(mine is presentation/animations, others are franchise and other off the field logic), we just have to remember we all want the same thing in the grand scheme of things. If most of us hate madden we wouldn't be here in the 1st place. We just want a more realistic representation, that I feel we have been deprived of since the license. Just my opinion though. I would love for Madden to totally knock me out of me seat this year.

You and are in the same boat. I think we pretty much have been for the last 5 or 6 years.. But there are others out there who simply post in here to take their shots, and we all know why.

I have no doubts that EA could make the greatest football game known to man, and there would be a core group of people taking shots at it for the exact same reasons they have for the last 7 years.

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