Madden NFL 16 News Post

Donny Moore, the 'Madden Ratings Czar', Leaving EA

11:28 AM - July 2, 2015 by RaychelSnr

Donny Moore, aka the ‘Madden Ratings Czar’, is leaving Electronic Arts as he will be “pursuing other interests.”

In an official statement on Twitter, Moore said, “After much thought & consideration, I have chosen to step away from @EASports & announce my retirement as the Madden Ratings Czar as I have opted to pursue other interests. I am especially grateful of the opportunity to rate players for some of the greatest fans in video games today. After 16 years, it is finally time to hang up the czar's mouse pad! #Czartirement"

For Moore, this ends a long tenure as the guy running the ratings and updates for Madden. Moore’s tenure spanned 16 years at EA Tiburon, which means he was easily one of the most tenured at that studio. There is no word yet on who will be replacing Moore, but we do expect an announcement soon.

The ratings position occupied by Moore has been a staple of Madden’s internet presence for years. Moore’s ratings oftentimes drew criticism, but the weekly ratings updates were always hugely anticipated by fans, despite what ire they may have drawn.

The ratings this year will likely still come in the same pacing as previous years, and it will be interesting to see if any differences in how much players move up and down the scale happens without Moore at the helm. We’ll certainly be watching it going forward!

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# 421 ggsimmonds @ 12/24/15 08:54 PM

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Originally Posted by Millennium


	Out of curiosity - Do you have the documentation showing what they use to create/update the ratings? Surely you do since you accuse a dev of being "gimmicky/opinionated". This is your official warning - We don't take kindly to disrespectful/nonconstructive posting to anyone, much less the devs that take time out to come here and interact.

I don't think there was anything disrespectful about his post. The way I read it he expressed his dissatisfaction and did so in an acceptable way. Sure, he didn't word it the best way he could have, but it was hardly worthy of a "warning."

# 422 Millennium @ 12/24/15 08:56 PM

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Originally Posted by ggsimmonds


	I don't think there was anything disrespectful about his post. The way I read it he expressed his dissatisfaction and did so in an acceptable way. Sure, he didn't word it the best way he could have, but it was hardly worthy of a "warning."

Fortunately the staff here follows my direction.

If you'd like to have a conversation about the tone of posts and how the forum is handled, you are more than welcome to PM me as is directed in the TOS when you sign up as the appropriate action when questioning a moderator's decisions.

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# 423 Gman 18 @ 12/25/15 03:08 AM

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Originally Posted by Millennium


	Out of curiosity - Do you have the documentation showing what they use to create/update the ratings? Surely you do since you accuse a dev of being "gimmicky/opinionated". This is your official warning - We don't take kindly to disrespectful/nonconstructive posting to anyone, much less the devs that take time out to come here and interact.

I never accused any specific dev of being
" gimmicky/opinionated ". All I was saying is that the rating system EA currently uses is outdated and is commonly a subject for argument mainly because a lot of the ratings are hype-driven rather than based on a player's actual on-field abilities. This is just my opinion, but im sure a lot of people can agree with me. At the end of the day we share a common opinion, we want the best football game possible. That's all. Im sorry if you took my post the wrong way, I was just stating how I feel about the ratings. I thought what I said in my post was somewhat relevant to the conversation

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# 424 KANE699 @ 12/25/15 12:39 PM

I go off tape and PFF..... hard to have any opinion in it really.

# 425 jfsolo @ 12/25/15 12:48 PM

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Originally Posted by KANE699


	I go off tape and PFF..... hard to have any opinion in it really.

Can you say if you're doing the ratings for M17?

# 426 StefJoeHalt @ 12/25/15 02:19 PM

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Originally Posted by KANE699


	I go off tape and PFF..... hard to have any opinion in it really.

Kane I have a question..if using PFF as a major source are u likely to move more towards there scale..cause as of right now, Madden still weighs a lot higher..see below

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# 427 DCEBB2001 @ 12/25/15 03:09 PM

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Originally Posted by KANE699


	I go off tape and PFF..... hard to have any opinion in it really.

Ah yes, the same PFF who declared Brad Jones as a budding star right before GB cut him.

https://www.profootballfocus.com/blo...ar-brad-jones/

If I may ask, where did you learn to break down game film? Did you coach or serve as a GA somewhere?

Just asking because I first learned from Mike O'Connell (http://www.wifca.org/news_article/sh...rrer_id=480362) while coaching at EC-Regis about a decade ago before being formally taught by David Te' Thomas (http://bleacherreport.com/users/153363-dave-te-thomas) while serving as a midwest regional scout at NFLDS from 2005-2009.

It just goes to show you that everyone gets a start somewhere and I wanted to know where you got yours.

# 428 khaliib @ 12/25/15 06:24 PM

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Originally Posted by StefJoeHalt


	Kane I have a question..if using PFF as a major source are u likely to move more towards there scale..cause as of right now, Madden still weighs a lot higher..see below Sent from my broken iPhone using my data I can't afford

The game already uses this format in CFM (under the hood) to represent team/league value.
(**is not the seen OVR)

90-99 = Icon (i.e. Team Cornerstones)
82-89 = Award Winner (i.e. Pro Bowler)
76-81 = Captain
70-75 = Marquee
60-69 = Regular
59 & under

# 429 StefJoeHalt @ 12/25/15 08:10 PM

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Originally Posted by khaliib


	The game already uses this format in CFM (under the hood) to represent team/league value. (**is not the seen OVR) 90-99 = Icon (i.e. Team Cornerstones) 82-89 = Award Winner (i.e. Pro Bowler) 76-81 = Captain 70-75 = Marquee 60-69 = Regular 59 & under

Ok...but wouldn't it be better if there was a scale or this scale used for players true value..similar to what u see with FBG ratings

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# 430 khaliib @ 12/26/15 02:17 AM

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Originally Posted by StefJoeHalt


	Ok...but wouldn't it be better if there was a scale or this scale used for players true value..similar to what u see with FBG ratings Sent from my broken iPhone using my data I can't afford

My answer is that "Ratings" function in various roles within the overall scope of the game, beyond just a "player value" system.

What doesn't get discussed when talking about what mechanism/model should be used, is the "functionality" implication of a rating/model change upon years of coding, especially since Madden is not being rebuilt from the ground up. (per say)

A changed ratings model has implications upon these aspects of coding.
1) Player Contracts

2) Depth Charts

3) Animations
- triggering levels
- ability to expand/add hundreds or more upon a "particular" rating, there by, limiting the ability to make an aspect of gameplay more fluid

4) Die Roll/Win Loss

5) Coach's/Staff. (they're part of the current model used)
- they impact player ratings

6) Subjective Areas
- Stamina
- Injury

Again, ratings go beyond the scope of just "player value" and have a multitude of implications upon the "functionality" of Madden as a whole.

To be honest, if Madden was built to a 100% replication of the NFL, most wouldn't enjoy themselves while playing, because our perspectives of the sport vary for a plethora of reasons, an element of "fantasy" must be present in Madden to capture such a broad stroke of perspectives.

That's the beauty of video games!!!

# 431 kehlis @ 12/26/15 01:04 PM

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Originally Posted by SECElit3


	Did you actually expect a response Dan?

This is not at all fair.

The question was asked at 3 pm on friggin Christmas.

I'm all for fair criticism but lets not say something like this when the guy hasn't even been given a fair chance to respond.

# 432 roadman @ 12/26/15 01:13 PM

I thought it was Christmas time when one spreads good cheer and good will all around.

Heck, I wouldn't be surprised if people aren't working during the holidays and enjoying time off with their families.

# 433 jfsolo @ 12/26/15 01:18 PM

He shouldn't respond. The way in which the question was asked, it seemed quasi-rhetorical anyway, by its tenor lends itself to being ignored.

# 434 roadman @ 12/26/15 01:29 PM

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Originally Posted by SECElit3


	It is a very fair question and should be looked upon as an opportunity for Kane to sell his qualifications to the community. There was nothing wrong with asking the question or the way it was asked. Sent from my iPad using Tapatalk

The only place he needs to sell his talents and abilities is at EA, not in a forum.

# 435 NateDogPack12 @ 12/26/15 01:35 PM

Let me say that I'm dissapointed in the condescending and outright hostile tone employed by some when addressing this EA staff member. We need to tread carefully so our community continues to retain respect and cooperation from developers. I have been very vocal about criticizing Madden, unlike many on the forum who just suck up, but there is a line that shouldn't be crossed.

# 436 DCEBB2001 @ 12/26/15 01:43 PM

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Originally Posted by SECElit3


	Did you actually expect a response Dan? Again, uniform guys should stick with uniforms. Kane does a fair job at them. Ratings should be handled by someone who only has that responsibility. The process in it's current state is destined for failure, as indicated by some of the late season ratings.

Well considering that he didn't answer to Charter or I when we asked previously, no, I do not expect a response, albeit it would be welcomed.

I just want to know that if someone is going to cite some information that they have the qualifications to properly use it. If that isn't the case or it doesn't matter, then so be it, but let's be real about it.

# 437 DCEBB2001 @ 12/26/15 01:45 PM

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Originally Posted by kehlis


	This is not at all fair. The question was asked at 3 pm on friggin Christmas. I'm all for fair criticism but lets not say something like this when the guy hasn't even been given a fair chance to respond.

I agree that we should give him a chance to respond. I wasn't expecting an answer either way, but it would be nice. I don't care how long it takes, but any response that isn't pure sarcasm (which he has used in previous posts around here) would be welcomed.

# 438 canes21 @ 12/26/15 01:49 PM

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Originally Posted by SECElit3


	90-100 should be Hall of Famer territory. And as stated, by an earlier poster, Dallas is extremely overrated. Sent from my iPad using Tapatalk

And the Redskins are apparently the second worst team in the NFL.

# 439 DCEBB2001 @ 12/26/15 01:50 PM

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Originally Posted by jfsolo


	He shouldn't respond. The way in which the question was asked, it seemed quasi-rhetorical anyway, by its tenor lends itself to being ignored.

I can assure as the person who asked, it was not rhetorical. Everyone gets their starts meagerly. Nobody jumps to the top of a ladder right away in this business. I want to know what his qualifications are. I simply illustrated that it is OK to start at the bottom as I did. Everyone needs to learn from somewhere/someone. If he is qualified to do the ratings full-time, considering that he was/is the equipment guru, I want to know what qualifications he has. However, he has to be willing to share and not give me all the sarcasm as he has previously on this forum.

I am simply asking questions, and as a part of the community, I should at least be able to ask. Nothing I said was disrespectful. The ball is in his court.

# 440 canes21 @ 12/26/15 01:53 PM

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Originally Posted by SECElit3


	Ratings and uniforms are too much for one person... Sent from my iPad using Tapatalk

I would probably say rating the entire NFL is too much for one person.

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