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An In-Depth Look at the Changes to the NBA 2K16 Ratings System

09:41 PM - August 21, 2015 by Steve_OS

Mike Stauffer, AKA Beds, has just posted an in-depth look at the changes to the NBA 2K16 ratings system. It is definitely an interesting approach that will generate plenty of discussion. Read it over and post your thoughts.

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# 181 SaruAqua @ 08/23/15 07:56 PM

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Originally Posted by jeebs9


	Thank you... I was done talking to that guy a few pages ago. I really hate when people live in this fantasy world of b.s.

Lol, look at this. You RESPONDED to me FIRST. All I did was point out that I believe that KD has been the best basketball player since 2013-14 which is apparently a sin on this site full of LBJ stans (not calling you one). Funny part is I don't even like KD, nor Bran. They both flop like bitches but are the two best in the game. I give credit when it's due. I then broke down LeBron's '15 Finals and you took offense to that.

The fact that you haven't even refuted any of my points pertaining to the previous example of all those superstars going through their injury-plagued seasons and had to have another poster explain to you why the West is exponentially better than the East is comical. Here you are instead accusing me of living in a "fantasy world" (wtf?) because I don't find LeBron's Finals run that impressive. His last 3 runs were easily better, IMHO, should I put it.

By the way, this post is no way, shape, or form written in a way to disrespect you. Just clearing things out.

# 182 2_headedmonster @ 08/23/15 11:36 PM

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Originally Posted by SaruAqua


	Lol, look at this. You RESPONDED to me FIRST. All I did was point out that I believe that KD has been the best basketball player since 2013-14 which is apparently a sin on this site full of LBJ stans (not calling you one). Funny part is I don't even like KD, nor Bran. They both flop like bitches but are the two best in the game. I give credit when it's due. I then broke down LeBron's '15 Finals and you took offense to that. The fact that you haven't even refuted any of my points pertaining to the previous example of all those superstars going through their injury-plagued seasons and had to have another poster explain to you why the West is exponentially better than the East is comical. Here you are instead accusing me of living in a "fantasy world" (wtf?) because I don't find LeBron's Finals run that impressive. His last 3 runs were easily better, IMHO, should I put it. By the way, this post is no way, shape, or form written in a way to disrespect you. Just clearing things out.

dont worry its easier for someone to take, and stand firm on a position when they take the "its beneath me" approach and don't have to defend it...

and again, once a player hits unrestricted free agency he CHOOSES which conference he plays in...

# 183 Real2KInsider @ 08/24/15 04:03 AM

This entire topic is a fantastic example of why I don't involve myself in conversations anymore.

# 184 swac07 @ 08/24/15 04:43 AM

I really hope these rating changes pan out for the better because people on social media have started a panic fueled wildfire just because their favorite players arent ranked "very high " smh

# 185 MarkWilliam @ 08/24/15 05:53 AM

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Originally Posted by Focus10


	Its just because people arent used to new ratings, once they play the game and get used it to it, they'll be cool

Totally agree. It's just a system by which they can have players measure up against one another.

There is NO WAY they will compromise how players mimic their real life counterparts and churn out realistic post game stats.

And if there is severe panic, can you not just modify the ratings to make your player rated lower/higher or whatever you want?

I personally think it sounds great. It creates benchmarks for different skills and now creates emphasis on specific players specific skill sets based on said benchmarks.

It just means you'll need to play more like the real life counterparts to have success and frankly, sounds brilliant.

All this is obviously my opinion, but I just don't get why some people are worried about players being rated too high or low when it can easily be edited.....

# 186 Black Bruce Wayne @ 08/24/15 08:57 AM

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Originally Posted by ThaLiveKing


	Shouldn't they do Eras instead of HOF overall? Great rebounder back then might not be as good as a rebounder now. Or the other way around, maybe I'm missing something. I also feel that most of the best rebounders like Rodman should be irritant, have that personality of an aggressive rebounder to go along with their rating. If they could some how take the mental aspect of the game and coincide it with the ratings system, they could be onto something. Maybe have ratings fluctuate throughout the game based on what's going on. If Rodman is playing aggressive grabbing 18 rebounds in a game, you should see that effect on the opposing player bringing that rating down. I think we could have a realistic approach that way. NOt sure how if can be implemented, it's just an idea. New system looks interesting though. I'm just thinking out loud

I like the way you think. Definitely dig the "Eras" angle because some might say Wilt was the best.

# 187 janmagn @ 08/24/15 10:07 AM

How is DeAndre the best in the NBA right now? Andre Drummond's ORB% is about 2% better

# 188 rjsuperfly66 @ 08/24/15 01:31 PM

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Originally Posted by twinsfan34


	That's a great list (and stat to back up the ratings), but it doesn't include the really GREAT rebounders, e.g. Chamberlain, Russell, Thurmond. If you assume they played every minute (many of them did) their rebound rates are 23-25% on average. No way to tell unless someone can watch game film to figure out the difference between OFF/DEFF, but either way, not hard to imagine Chamberlain and Russell (et al) being superior rebounders to Rodman. Also, Rodman only had sustained elite level rebounding for 7 seasons. Chamberlain and Russell were well over 10+ seasons at that level.

Different eras, can't just look at stats. During Chamberlains best rebounding season, they were knocked out of the playoffs by Syracuse. The best rebounder on Syracuse, Dolph Shayes, was 6'7, 195. Remember that Wilt was 7'1, 275. His 2nd best rebounding season was the following season, in the playoffs he matched up against Red Kerr, 6'9 235, before playing the Celtics in the following round. The 2nd best rebounder on Syracuse that season was Dave Gambee, 6'6 215. Played again in the playoffs 2 years later, played St. Louis in the playoffs, and their rebounding duo of Bob Petit, 6'9 225, and Bill Bridges, 6'6 228.

The point of this historical exercise isn't to dismiss the accomplishments of guys like Chamberlain and Russell because they would have been very good players in any era, but that it's impossible to quantify how their stats would translate to the modern NBA. They played in an era where more shots were taken (Chamberlains 3rd mentioned playoff team took ~7800 shots in 80 games, this years Golden St. took ~7100 shots in 82 games), and overall they typically had huge size advantages, not many within 4-5 inches or 50 pounds of.

Chamberlains 100 point game, they played the Knicks. The best rebounders on the Knicks that season were Johnny Green and Willie Naulis. Green, the top rebounder on the Knicks that year by nearly 200, was 6'5, 200. Naulis was 6'6 225. 3rd best rebounder, Richie Guerin, 6'4 195. Again, just a little perspective.

# 189 ojandpizza @ 08/24/15 02:12 PM

If a current LeBron is a 94 and a 1998 Jordan is a 99, that will just be lol..

But I guess he is Jordan after all, I'm sure even with this new ratings system every version of him past 85 will be a 99 overall.. Even though this new ratings systems seems like it should bring him down a slight. I would have expected guys like Hakeem, Bird, Duncan, Bron, etc to be the ones to take a bump up.

A big 3 LeBron (if that team makes the list) I expect to be ranked very highly.

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# 190 The 24th Letter @ 08/24/15 02:30 PM

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Originally Posted by 2_headedmonster


	dont worry its easier for someone to take, and stand firm on a position when they take the "its beneath me" approach and don't have to defend it... and again, once a player hits unrestricted free agency he CHOOSES which conference he plays in...

Until I see headline "LeBron James releases the 2016 schedule" or "playoff schedule" all I know is that a player signs with a team and plays who is in front of them...

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# 191 2_headedmonster @ 08/24/15 03:59 PM

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Originally Posted by The 24th Letter


	Until I see headline "LeBron James releases the 2016 schedule" or "playoff schedule" all I know is that a player signs with a team and plays who is in front of them... Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

You play whose infront of you, sure. That's a given. Not sure how that refuted the point that players, especially of his caliber choose which conference they play in. Not to say "playing in the west is the only way he'll get my respect", but he's clearly chosen the easier path to the finals.

# 192 ojandpizza @ 08/24/15 04:31 PM

Well that's a nice laugh

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# 193 Real2KInsider @ 08/24/15 05:06 PM

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Originally Posted by 2_headedmonster


	You play whose infront of you, sure. That's a given. Not sure how that refuted the point that players, especially of his caliber choose which conference they play in. Not to say "playing in the west is the only way he'll get my respect", but he's clearly chosen the easier path to the finals.

So did Michael Jordan.

Posts like this are what's wrong with sports fans.

Respect? Nah I'd rather nitpick meaningless BS. This is the barstool equivalent of 26.5 PER vs 26.4 PER.

# 194 2_headedmonster @ 08/24/15 05:33 PM

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Originally Posted by Rashidi


	So did Michael Jordan. Posts like this are what's wrong with sports fans. Respect? Nah I'd rather nitpick meaningless BS. This is the barstool equivalent of 26.5 PER vs 26.4 PER.

Jordan chose to stay with the Bulls, yes. I guess we're stating the obvious *shrugs*.

Im also guessing you're saying that to drop the mic on a would be Lebron *****/Jordan lover. Not quite.

"post like this"...what exactly about this post is wrong? The legitimate point? lol. I hate when people do that. Im not sure playing in a conference with half the 50-win teams as the other is "nit-picking".

on-topic:

I want to see what the role players on the classic teams are rated. And is John Starks 3 still over-rated.

# 195 bamalam @ 08/24/15 08:20 PM

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Originally Posted by philly guy


	I would also call Moses Malone as the best offensive rebounder in history.

Moses was well known for padding those offensive boards in his day.

# 196 hear me now @ 08/24/15 08:26 PM

I don't think this means the top guy in the stat always has 99. They set the standard. He wrote that Rodman is just an example. You think the top three point shooter, or shooters should have 99? That's basically saying they never miss. We just saw Curry have a cold streak in the finals.

# 197 ojandpizza @ 08/24/15 08:48 PM

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Originally Posted by bamalam


	Moses was well known for padding those offensive boards in his day.

Rodman did the same. He almost always gave up 2-4 inches when he was moved to a power forward and would be credited rebounds when he tapped the ball up away so he could secure it on the second jump.

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# 198 SaruAqua @ 08/24/15 09:16 PM

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Originally Posted by 2_headedmonster


	Jordan chose to stay with the Bulls, yes. I guess we're stating the obvious shrugs. Im also guessing you're saying that to drop the mic on a would be Lebron *****/Jordan lover. Not quite. "post like this"...what exactly about this post is wrong? The legitimate point? lol. I hate when people do that. Im not sure playing in a conference with half the 50-win teams as the other is "nit-picking". on-topic: I want to see what the role players on the classic teams are rated. And is John Starks 3 still over-rated.

This. Lol at comparing the east in Jordan's day to now.

In the 80's/90's, the East was equivalent to what the west is today. As great as they were, are we forgetting that the '87 Lakers had to beat the 37 win Nuggets, 42 win Warriors, and 39 win Sonics just to get to the Finals from the west? Now, of course they bet the Bird-led Celtics so it essentially somewhat doesn't make their competition look as lopsided but it shows that their road TO THE Finals wasn't that tough. Or the fact that the '91-'93/'96-'98 Bulls had to beat five 57+ win teams ('92 Cavs, '93 Knicks, '96 Magic, '97 Heat, '98 Pacers) just to get to the Finals? And I mean BEAT them, not just face them.

People always point out that Jordan was 1-9 in the P/O before Pippen came, completely ignoring the fact that Pippen was a role player in '88 and '89 while the Bulls got to the ECSF and ECF, losing both times to Detroit. When MJ got swept in '86 and '87, it was by those same Bird-led Celtics that were on the same tier as the Showtime Lakers adding to the equation that Orlando "Crackhead" Woolridge and Charles Oakley were the Bulls' 2nd options.

Is it LeBron's fault that the East is so weak right now? No.
Are we blaming him? No.

But to blatantly ignore how easy the road to the Finals from the East is and kiss LBJ's feet for shooting 40%FG vs the Bulls and Hawks is ignorance. His 3 previous runs were greater because of his greater play (efficiency), particularly '11 when the Heat beat the 56 win Celtics and 62 win Bulls.

# 199 bamalam @ 08/24/15 09:21 PM

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Originally Posted by ojandpizza


	Rodman did the same. He almost always gave up 2-4 inches when he was moved to a power forward and would be credited rebounds when he tapped the ball up away so he could secure it on the second jump. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

just opinion - eye test -I take rodman hands down.
moses threw up some ugly "shots' by the hundreds where he was in position to get his own rebounds.

nice to know we will have roster options and editing as always to rate as we each want.

# 200 Real2KInsider @ 08/24/15 10:55 PM

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Originally Posted by SaruAqua


	This. Lol at comparing the east in Jordan's day to now.

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	Or the fact that the '91-'93/'96-'98 Bulls had to beat five 57+ win teams ('92 Cavs, '93 Knicks, '96 Magic, '97 Heat, '98 Pacers) just to get to the Finals? And I mean BEAT them, not just face them.

This is a funny comment to make considering only one of those teams (93 Knicks) had a better record than the Bulls. The 96 Bulls were 12-games better than the 96 Magic, LOL that pretty much meets your criteria for "just facing them".

WEST 50+ Win Teams
1991: Blazers (63), Lakers (58), Spurs (55), Suns (55), Jazz (54), Rockets (52)
1992: Blazers (57), Jazz (55), Warriors (55), Suns (53)
1993: Suns (62), Rockets (55), Sonics (55), Blazers (51)
1994: Sonics (63), Rockets (58), Suns (56), Spurs (55), Jazz (53), Warriors (50)
1995: Spurs (62), Jazz (60), Suns (59), Spurs (57)
1996: Sonics (64), Spurs (59), Jazz (55), Lakers (53)
1997: Jazz (64), Sonics (57), Rockets (57), Lakers (56)
1998: Jazz (62), Sonics (61), Lakers (61), Suns (56), Spurs (56)

EAST 50+ Win Teams
1991: Bulls (61), Celtics (56), Pistons (50)
1992: Bulls (67), Cavaliers (57), Celtics (51), Knicks (51)
1993: Knicks (60), Bulls (57), Cavaliers (54)
1994: Hawks (57), Knicks (57), Bulls (55), Magic (50)
1995: Magic (57), Knicks (55), Pacers (52), Hornets (50)
1996: Bulls (72), Magic (60), Pacers (52)
1997: Bulls (69), Heat (61), Knicks (57), Hawks (56), Pistons (54), Hornets (54)
1998: Bulls (62), Pacers (58), Heat (55), Hornets (51), Hawks (50)

There is no question which conference was tougher in the 90s. If we elevate the criteria to 55+ wins it gets laughable. Aside from 1997 the west was better every single time.

The Bulls beat one GOOD team in the east each year but not GREAT teams. There's a reason why a different west team made it to the Finals each year while the Bulls were never seriously challenged out east.

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	But to blatantly ignore how easy the road to the Finals from the East is and kiss LBJ's feet for shooting 40%FG vs the Bulls and Hawks is ignorance. His 3 previous runs were greater because of his greater play (efficiency), particularly '11 when the Heat beat the 56 win Celtics and 62 win Bulls.

The Cavs (53 wins) swept a 60-win team. With Kevin Love sidelined and Kyrie Irving hobbled/missing games. Compare that to any road Jordan took to the Finals in the 90s and you'll see which way the ignorance flows.

Nostalgia is a funny thing.

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