EA UFC 2 STRIKING and FBHR mechanics and How to use it

[SUGATA]

Full Body Hit Reaction (FBHR) - is not a Health event animation; is a Stun animation, which interrupts (crushing, stopping power) opponent’s strike, and prevents another strike from happening because of hit stun, opponent during FBHR (hit stun) is vulnerable to attacks (one strike usually as follow up).

FBHR pros:
- stop opponent's attack
- during any FBHR opponent can not perform any action except Block/Parry/GB
- during 5 level FBHR opponent can not any action at all (even Block/Parry/GB) + 5 level FBHR break opponent's Blocking

FBHR cons:
- during some FBHR animations (especially 5 level FBHR) the opponent is pushed away from my range or hide his head, so i can not to reach him by my strike.

FBHR is CAUSED BY:
- large total damage Strike (approximately 5 dmg).

FBHR LEVELS:
FBHR has several levels.
Larger total damage Strike – causes higher level FBHR.


The same Combo/Strike with the same fighter in different conditions (SA, Damage multipliers) can cause different levels FBHR. Example with “Straight, Head kick combo”: Reset position = 1^st level FBHR, SA = 5^th level FBHR.


Maximum 5^th level FBHR – has the longest FBHR animation, NO any actions available during its animation (even Block, Parry, GB) and is cancelling Blocking (break Block) = guaranteed (unblockable/free) Strike possibility.


ALL 5^th level FBHR has the animation that take him out take him out of range or hide his head, Exception: Leg kick – allow for follow up Head kick during his 5^th level FBHR.


How to cause Full Body Hit Reactions (FBHR) in EA UFC 2 consistently (aka script):

1 step - Know strike's damage:
http://www.operationsports.com/forum...l-strikes.html
http://forum.ea.com/eaforum/posts/list/10203031.page

2 step - Full body hit reaction ("Hit stun") launches when opponent is getting 4 dmg.
as you see above nearly no strikes that cause 5 dmg (max = 4.5)
So, you need to increase damage by 2 ways:
1 way - land this strike in Counter window (in 3 sec after Parry, Sway, Dodge, Whiff)
2 way - land this strike at the end of the Combo, more strike in combo before this strike = more DMG multiplier bonus
So, for Strong strike like Backfist you need only one Jab to cause FBHR. For Hook you need previously land 2-3 Jabs.

Combo rules:
- switch L-R sides for the same strike type (punch , kick)
- never perform the same side and type strike twice. exception: Jab, Jab.
- max Combo length = 5 strikes
- Combo resets by block, whiff.

3 step - Go to Practice and test your Combo setups for this ending powerful strike:
- after successful side step (opponent whiffed, you get CW) you dont need a setup strike, you immediately launch your powerful strike for ex Elbow to deal FBHR even w/o combo.

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STRIKING & DAMAGE MECHANICS in STAND UP:


1) Strike SPEED depends on:
- my fighter’s attributes
- my Stamina
- not depends on my striking limb’s Health


2) Strike DAMAGE depends on:
- both fighter’s attributes
- my Stamina (more Stamina – more damage & FBHR)
- opponent’s Stamina (less Stamina – more damage & FBHR)
- not depends on my striking limb’s Health
- final total Strike damage depends also on additional Damage multipliers from: 1. Combo multiplier (CM) 2. Counter window (CW) 3. Physics driven damage with the right timing (when opponent is moving toward my strike).


> The best conditions for my Strike is [when I have SA over the opponent – the more Stamina difference/advantage amount the better].
SA - Stamina advantage (i have more Stamina than opponent).



STRIKING in CLINCH/GROUND:


1) Strike SPEED depends on:
- my Stamina
- not depends on my fighter’s attributes
- not depends on my striking limb’s Health


2) Strike DAMAGE depends on:
- both fighter’s attributes
- my Stamina (more Stamina – more damage & FBHR)
- opponent’s Stamina (less Stamina – more damage & FBHR)
- not depends on my striking limb’s Health
- final total Strike damage NOT depends also on additional Damage multipliers from: 1. Combo multiplier (CM) 2. Counter window (CW) 3. Physics driven damage with the right timing (when opponent is moving toward my strike) – because in Clinch/Ground does NOT exist 1, 2, 3.
> The best conditions for my Strike is [when I have SA over the opponent – the more Stamina difference/advantage amount the better].


3) In Clinch/Ground striking does NOT exist: Combo multiplier (CM), Counter window, Physics driven damage (when opponent is moving toward my strike).
(Example: Standing (Stand up) hook, and hook in Single Collar land about the same amount of damage. But Standing hook can be buffed by being thrown in a combo (for CM), or as a counter, or by physics damage with the right timing. None of those conditions & damage bonuses exist in the Clinch/Ground).


4) Reasons to switch Left-Right strikes in Clinch/Ground:
- mix ups to avoid Arm traps in Posture up
- target specific side to damage specific arm during opponent’s Blocking (to break Block sooner)


> Switch/mixing up Left-Right Strikes in Clinch/Ground for: avoid Arm trap in Posture up, and to strike the most damaged opponent’s Hand to break his Block sooner.
4) GnP strike speed (Clinch and Ground) - is determined by Stamina only, not attributes!


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QUESTIONS:


1) What is wrong in this info above?


2) Strike speed in Clinch & Ground - not depends on my fighter’s attributes but only on my Stamina? And not depends on CM and CW and physics driven dmg?

3) What affects the damaged limb (hand, leg)?

[REDDy4war]

Quote: Originally Posted by SUGATA

Full Body Hit Reaction (FBHR) - is not a Health event animation; is a Stun animation, which interrupts (crushing, stopping power) opponent’s strike, and prevents another strike from happening because of hit stun, opponent during FBHR (hit stun) is vulnerable to attacks (one strike usually as follow up). FBHR pros: - stop opponent's attack - during any FBHR opponent can not perform any action except Block/Parry/GB - during 5 level FBHR opponent can not any action at all (even Block/Parry/GB) + 5 level FBHR break opponent's Blocking FBHR cons: - during some FBHR animations (especially 5 level FBHR) the opponent is pushed away from my range or hide his head, so i can not to reach him by my strike. FBHR is CAUSED BY: - large total damage Strike (approximately 4 dmg). FBHR LEVELS: FBHR has several levels. Larger total damage Strike – causes higher level FBHR. The same Combo/Strike with the same fighter in different conditions (SA, Damage multipliers) can cause different levels FBHR. Example with “Straight, Head kick combo”: Reset position = 1st level FBHR, SA = 5th level FBHR. Maximum 5th level FBHR – has the longest FBHR animation, NO any actions available during its animation (even Block, Parry, GB) and is cancelling Blocking (break Block) = guaranteed (unblockable/free) Strike possibility. ALL 5th level FBHR has the animation that take him out take him out of range or hide his head, Exception: Leg kick – allow for follow up Head kick during his 5th level FBHR. How to cause Full Body Hit Reactions (FBHR) in EA UFC 2 consistently (aka script): 1 step - Know strike's damage: http://forum.ea.com/eaforum/posts/list/10203031.page 2 step - Full body hit reaction ("Hit stun") launches when opponent is getting 4 dmg. as you see above nearly no strikes that cause 4 dmg (max = 3.5) So, you need to increase damage by 2 ways: 1 way - land this strike in Counter window (in 3 sec after Parry, Sway, Dodge, Whiff) 2 way - land this strike at the end of the Combo, more strike in combo before this strike = more DMG multiplier bonus So, for Strong strike like Backfist you need only one Jab to cause FBHR. For Hook you need previously land 2-3 Jabs. Combo rules: - switch L-R sides for the same strike type (punch , kick) - never perform the same side and type strike twice. exception: Jab, Jab. - max Combo length = 5 strikes - Combo resets by block, whiff. 3 step - Go to Practice and test your Combo setups for this ending powerful strike: - after successful side step (opponent whiffed, you get CW) you dont need a setup strike, you immediately launch your powerful strike for ex Elbow to deal FBHR even w/o combo. ___________________________________ STRIKING & DAMAGE MECHANICS in STAND UP: 1) Strike SPEED depends on: - my fighter’s attributes - my Stamina - not depends on my striking limb’s Health 2) Strike DAMAGE depends on: - both fighter’s attributes - my Stamina (more Stamina – more damage & FBHR) - opponent’s Stamina (less Stamina – more damage & FBHR) - not depends on my striking limb’s Health - final total Strike damage depends also on additional Damage multipliers from: 1. Combo multiplier (CM) 2. Counter window (CW) 3. Physics driven damage with the right timing (when opponent is moving toward my strike). > The best conditions for my Strike is [when I have SA over the opponent – the more Stamina difference/advantage amount the better]. SA - Stamina advantage (i have more Stamina than opponent). STRIKING in CLINCH/GROUND: 1) Strike SPEED depends on: - my Stamina - not depends on my fighter’s attributes - not depends on my striking limb’s Health 2) Strike DAMAGE depends on: - both fighter’s attributes - my Stamina (more Stamina – more damage & FBHR) - opponent’s Stamina (less Stamina – more damage & FBHR) - not depends on my striking limb’s Health - final total Strike damage NOT depends also on additional Damage multipliers from: 1. Combo multiplier (CM) 2. Counter window (CW) 3. Physics driven damage with the right timing (when opponent is moving toward my strike) – because in Clinch/Ground does NOT exist 1, 2, 3. > The best conditions for my Strike is [when I have SA over the opponent – the more Stamina difference/advantage amount the better]. 3) In Clinch/Ground striking does NOT exist: Combo multiplier (CM), Counter window, Physics driven damage (when opponent is moving toward my strike). (Example: Standing (Stand up) hook, and hook in Single Collar land about the same amount of damage. But Standing hook can be buffed by being thrown in a combo (for CM), or as a counter, or by physics damage with the right timing. None of those conditions & damage bonuses exist in the Clinch/Ground). 4) Reasons to switch Left-Right strikes in Clinch/Ground: - mix ups to avoid Arm traps in Posture up - target specific side to damage specific arm during opponent’s Blocking (to break Block sooner) > Switch/mixing up Left-Right Strikes in Clinch/Ground for: avoid Arm trap in Posture up, and to strike the most damaged opponent’s Hand to break his Block sooner. 4) GnP strike speed (Clinch and Ground) - is determined by Stamina only, not attributes! __________________________________________________ _____ QUESTIONS: 1) What is wrong in this info above? 2) Strike speed in Clinch & Ground - not depends on my fighter’s attributes but only on my Stamina? And not depends on CM and CW and physics driven dmg? 3) What affects the damaged limb (hand, leg)?

Hell no dude those hit stuns gotta go your idea sucks thats y no on commented because no one agrees with you

[Ksearyback]

Sugata, did you ever get a response, or figure out, the difference between heavy hook and normal hook (or whatever the certain punches which had a modified version).

You pointed out that, for example, an upper cut and a modified heavy upper cut had the exact same risk/reward but heavy was a slower animation. Why would anyone use the modified strikes with an equal but faster animation version? Was this a mistake or an oversight?

[SUGATA]

Quote: Originally Posted by Ksearyback

Sugata, did you ever get a response, or figure out, the difference between heavy hook and normal hook (or whatever the certain punches which had a modified version). You pointed out that, for example, an upper cut and a modified heavy upper cut had the exact same risk/reward but heavy was a slower animation. Why would anyone use the modified strikes with an equal but faster animation version? Was this a mistake or an oversight?

1) Modified L1 strikes has more dmg and stamina cost, they reset CM and cannot be boosted by dashes. So they better to be used at the end of combos.
2) I don't know the difference between different Hooks not by L1 (normal, heavy, powered hooks) except the different animation. Does them have different dmg/stamina cost now? Because in UFC 1 thy were equal.

[oshighwayman]

can u explain strike intercept and which strikes beat which strike? (let s say hook beats jab or something like that)

[SUGATA]

Quote: Originally Posted by oshighwayman

can u explain strike intercept and which strikes beat which strike? (let s say hook beats jab or something like that)

Very good question!
But i still have not tested it enough.

The basic rule: any strike landed on early startup phase of the opponent's strike will intercept (crush/stop) it.

But:
- not any
- may be different intercept results (like KD by leg kick vs kick for ex)

More info about CRUSHING (not via FBHR) strike vs strike and strike vs action (sway for ex) in the game from devs or players are welcome...

[Solid_Altair]

Very good thread. Great work!

I'd just like to emphasize that the FBHR actually depend on damage and that the resistance stats do not apply. That means that you can get the reactions more easily in heavier weight classes.

Another detail is that the first degree of FBHR is very discreet. You can barely tell it apart from an additive reaction (one that is only added on top of the current aimations and doesn't stop the guy). So, to test if you can stop the guy with something, do it by actually throwing something with the other gu. Don't just hit him and look for a noticeable reaction.

[SUGATA]

Quote: Originally Posted by Solid_Altair

Very good thread. Great work! I'd just like to emphasize that the FBHR actually depend on damage and that the resistance stats do not apply. That means that you can get the reactions more easily in heavier weight classes. Another detail is that the first degree of FBHR is very discreet. You can barely tell it apart from an additive reaction (one that is only added on top of the current aimations and doesn't stop the guy). So, to test if you can stop the guy with something, do it by actually throwing something with the other gu. Don't just hit him and look for a noticeable reaction.

The most important element in all fightings - CRUSHING, i.e. your strike crushes/stops the opponent's strike on its execution (startup) phase which allow you to counter cross opponent's spam. it becomes possible when:
- i have Striking advantage over the opponent (my action will start earlier and then land sooner than his)
- some my strike has evasive properties (for ex ducking strikes), so the opponent;s strike is landing earlier but is missing above me.

In EA UFC 1-2 now as it seems to me there are no real crushing at all, because receiving hit on my startup does not stop my strike (aka "No stopping power"). Just check gifs in this thread:
http://www.operationsports.com/forum...a-ufc-2-a.html

But sometimes 1st opponent's strike interrupts my 2nd follow up strike (boosted by CM after 1st hit) and iterrupts my combo. We heard " Strike intercept – Strikes landed within the opponents initial wind up phase of a strike will halt the opponent from completing their strike".

This "interrupting" is unstable and not reliable.
Why?
Because there are NO HIT STUNS! So, as a results there are no strike advantage/disadvantage.
Listen up:
I successfully landed my 1st strike (hit), then land my 2nd strike (hit), then i "wind up" my 3rd strike powerful strike (boosted by CM for huge dmg)....
.... the opponent just strike me on 3rd strike initial phase and INTERRUPTS my combo! ... the opponent, who received TWO clear hits must to be hit stunned (strike disadvanatge) and THE ONLY option, which must to be possible to him must to be a DEFENSE (by Block, step, bwd dash, sway) ,but not attack by strike!
.....the opponent's by button mashing/spamming strikes interrupts my combo and break my plan and strategy.
So, there are NO MORE STRATEGY in stand up game because every planned combo can be "interrupted" by the opponent, w/o Hit stuns.

Implemented by GCs "interrupting strikes" feature in early patch is useless w/o hit stuns and Striking advantage.

= this is the MAIN ISSUE OF THE CURRENT STAND UP STRIKING =

How to solve this:
- implement Hit stuns after every landed hit, hitstun's effect depends on hit's dmg
- implement Striking advantage (after dealing hit, successful evade or block) and Striking disadvantage (afterreceiving hit, failed evade, missed/blocked my strike).
More details here:
http://www.operationsports.com/forum...scussions.html