NBA 2K16 Player Ratings - Top Rated Point Guards (UPDATED)

[MGSW]

Quote: Originally Posted by Kese86

Wow where do I start? It actually does work like that amongst GMs that want to keep their job. Successful teams make trades to upgrade talent. No GM worth his salt would accept a trade of Conley for Westbrook. Also, he's been to the Finals so he does win, and he affects the game many more ways than Conley can on both ends of the floor.

Still not the way it works though is it? That's not how people compare players. It's a dumb way to do it.

Now if you want to analyse their games and the metrics and compare them, I'm happy to do that. If you want to play some sort of pseudo-MYGM because you're craving 2k16 so much I'll have to pass. Sorry.

[HowDareI]

Quote: Originally Posted by Rain723

Lol @ all the ppl here hating on D. Rose. The dude had bad luck with injuries and played his first real season after missing basically 2 years of action. Naturally he struggled this year. But he still showed flashes of the old MVP Rose and I expect him to build on that with some consistency. By the time the playoffs came around he was showing that he's still a force in the league. I can see that rating moving up to the high 80's by the end of the season. And are there ppl really comparing him to TONY WROTEN?? Really??? You can't be serious. I can't even take you serious as a basketball fan

It's called an opinion, and to be honest I don't care about some random nobody "taking me serious".

Go look up their stats; identical. So I can compare them all I want. All day, every day, any time, any where. So when I say they have identical stats but Wroten's taller and more athletic, I can then say I'd rather have him....and he's much younger.

There's no way Rose has the rating he has right now, there's plenty of guards (realistically) better than him. Wroten shouldn't be higher but he shouldn't be 9 points lower if they have the same stats, right? Okay.

[Chocolate Chip]

kemba is too high hes not that good of a PG.

[Focus10]

Quote: Originally Posted by Chocolate Chip

kemba is too high hes not that good of a PG.

The face that he has same rating as Ty Lawson and Goran Dragic is hilarious

[MGSW]

Quote: Originally Posted by HowDareI

It's called an opinion, and to be honest I don't care about some random nobody "taking me serious". Go look up their stats; identical. So I can compare them all I want. All day, every day, any time, any where. So when I say they have identical stats but Wroten's taller and more athletic, I can then say I'd rather have him....and he's much younger. There's no way Rose has the rating he has right now, there's plenty of guards (realistically) better than him. Wroten shouldn't be higher but he shouldn't be 9 points lower if they have the same stats, right? Okay.

I completely understand what you're saying but Wroten only played something like 30 games. That's a really small sample size in the grand scheme of things. His averages over 30 games shouldn't be comparable to the per game averages of a guy who played 20+ more games than he did.

Rose when he was healthy is beyond what Wroten could even dream of being.

Now? Sure since his athleticism took a knock it's different. But to compare them after wroten had one decent season on a very bad team? Come on man.

Also you have to look at all the numbers.

Rose held opposing PGs to an average PER of 14 (
Wroten held opposing PGs to an average PER of 19 (>NBA average). An eFG% of 54% and forced 4 turnovers per game.

Philly were actually better defensively when Wroten was on the bench. They gave up 111 points per 100 possessions with Wroten on the floor. They gave up 104 points when Wroten was on the bench.

With Rose, the Bulls gave up 105 points per 100 possessions with Rose on the floor and 106 with him on the bench.

Rose was a plus defender last year, Wroten wasn't.

With Wroten on the floor Philly allowed more assisted field goals, a higher eFG% and turned the ball over more on offense.

Wroten had a DRtg of 106.6 while Rose was 105.1 so Rose was in the top 40 out of all players (playing > 24mpg). And Wroten was in the top 150 (he was about 148th)


And when you compare the offense you have to remember 44% of Wroten's made baskets were assisted on. Compared to 35% of D.Rose. Rose is clearly better at creating for himself.





Again. Small sample sizes so I don't take too much from it. But I think it's still to early to compare them properly.

[MGSW]

No idea what's wrong with this forum but it keeps erasing sentences from my posts.

Edit: seriously why can't I post Roses numbers? Wtf is wrong with this crappy site.

*Rose held opposing PGs to an average PER of 14 (less than the NBA average) an eFG% of 44% and forced almost 3 turnovers per game.

Wroten held opposing PGs to an average PER of 19 (>NBA average). An eFG% of 54% and forced 4 turnovers per game.

[MoneyOvaHuds]

Quote: Originally Posted by MGSW

I completely understand what you're saying but Wroten only played something like 30 games. That's a really small sample size in the grand scheme of things. His averages over 30 games shouldn't be comparable to the per game averages of a guy who played 20+ more games than he did. Rose when he was healthy is beyond what Wroten could even dream of being. Now? Sure since his athleticism took a knock it's different. But to compare them after wroten had one decent season on a very bad team? Come on man. Also you have to look at all the numbers. Rose held opposing PGs to an average PER of 14 ( Wroten held opposing PGs to an average PER of 19 (>NBA average). An eFG% of 54% and forced 4 turnovers per game. Philly were actually better defensively when Wroten was on the bench. They gave up 111 points per 100 possessions with Wroten on the floor. They gave up 104 points when Wroten was on the bench. With Rose, the Bulls gave up 105 points per 100 possessions with Rose on the floor and 106 with him on the bench. Rose was a plus defender last year, Wroten wasn't. With Wroten on the floor Philly allowed more assisted field goals, a higher eFG% and turned the ball over more on offense. Wroten had a DRtg of 106.6 while Rose was 105.1 so Rose was in the top 40 out of all players (playing > 24mpg). And Wroten was in the top 150 (he was about 148th) And when you compare the offense you have to remember 44% of Wroten's made baskets were assisted on. Compared to 35% of D.Rose. Rose is clearly better at creating for himself. Again. Small sample sizes so I don't take too much from it. But I think it's still to early to compare them properly.

Great post man

[MGSW]

Quote: Originally Posted by MoneyOvaHuds

Great post man

Thanks. Numbers can't tell you everything. Like the guy says, Wroten is bigger and at this point probably more athletic (due to injuries to Rose). The physical side has to be taken into account.

I can see his argument for Wroten being close to the same level or as good in terms of Production. But I don't agree with drawing a conclusion like that after just 30 games. I mean it's just too small a sample size.

Plus all the on/off numbers and advanced metrics seem to support the idea that Philly were better defensively when Wroten was on the bench, so his size didn't have as much of an impact as some might think (although he did force a ton of turnovers).