Phil Frazier Says No 3rd Patch or DLC For Madden 09

[mwjr]

Quote: Originally Posted by matt8204

Yup, and he was dead-on. It can apply to any aspect of life. Whether it's eating better, exercising, not drinking and driving. If you want change, you have to change your own actions. It's not going to happen on its own.

I believe Peter Brady said it best when he said: "When it's time to change, you've got to rearrange."

Words to live by, my friends.

[countryboy]

Quote: Originally Posted by bigsmallwood

NFL 2K5 is the PLATINUM STANDARD when it comes to NFL Football gaming....Madden has fumbled (intentionally) every year since they have had the license...Why don't people want to accept that fact. Anytime a new game comes out and people are already talking about "Can we get a patch to fix this...." or "Next year they need to finally do X,Y and Z"....that is not good for your game...because that means it is almost a defective product. EA releases these games to get you to continue buying year after year. Look at what they have done with Madden over the last 4 years....Only one REAL innovative thing and that was the Lead-Blocking controls...other than that...mmmmm...Save your money!

doesnt' that happen with all games though? I mean, we can all agree that NBA 2K9 and The Show are probably two of the best sports simulations on the market today, and both had people asking for patches and wanting "X, Y, Z" to be implemented within a month of the game's release. Thats just the nature of the beast when it comes to message boards that discuss video games.

[mwjr]

Quote: Originally Posted by bigsmallwood

NFL 2K5 is the PLATINUM STANDARD when it comes to NFL Football gaming....Madden has fumbled (intentionally) every year since they have had the license...

As much as I've been disappointed by EA and Madden, I don't think they do it intentionally. I just think it's laziness.

[mwjr]

Quote: Originally Posted by countryboy

doesnt' that happen with all games though? I mean, we can all agree that NBA 2K9 and The Show are probably two of the best sports simulations on the market today, and both had people asking for patches and wanting "X, Y, Z" to be implemented within a month of the game's release. Thats just the nature of the beast when it comes to message boards that discuss video games.

That's an exceptional point.

While I do think EA has been putting out less-than-average products for quite some time, there is a component here that falls on our expectations. Gamers from way back when didn't have these lofty expectations. But I think that with the advent of the new technology, we've all been expecting things that, simply put, can't be achieved.

It's a microcosm of our culture. *mwjr gets up on his old fart soapbox* Information is available nowadays instantly. People are connected to everyone at any given point in time. Text messaging, instant messaging, facebook, the internet - we've become so spoiled in what we want and when we want it. If something isn't perfect right out of the box, then we're angry. Consequently, if that product isn't fixed immediately, then we become even angrier. We want it. We want it perfect. But, most importantly, we want it now.

It's just not that simple.

Now, I don't expect a perfect game out of the box. It's just not possible. But there are games that, although slightly flawed, are a hell of a lot of fun. That said, the problem for me with Madden and EA is that we're not talking about small flaws, or simple features we'd like to see. We're talking about major breakdowns. In NCAA there was the roster glitch and that god-awful AI. (Remember the videos of the CPU defenders running away from the ball-carrier?) In Madden, we're talking about a woefully lacking franchise feature, the WR direct snap feature, lack of stamina impact et al. We're talking basic functioning features of a next generation game.

Expectations must be managed. However, we should expect, at the very least, the basics being addressed in a sports game.

[countryboy]

Quote: Originally Posted by mwjr

That's an exceptional point. While I do think EA has been putting out less-than-average products for quite some time, there is a component here that falls on our expectations. Gamers from way back when didn't have these lofty expectations. But I think that with the advent of the new technology, we've all been expecting things that, simply put, can't be achieved. It's a microcosm of our culture. *mwjr gets up on his old fart soapbox* Information is available nowadays instantly. People are connected to everyone at any given point in time. Text messaging, instant messaging, facebook, the internet - we've become so spoiled in what we want and when we want it. If something isn't perfect right out of the box, then we're angry. Consequently, if that product isn't fixed immediately, then we become even angrier. We want it. We want it perfect. But, most importantly, we want it now. It's just not that simple. Now, I don't expect a perfect game out of the box. It's just not possible. But there are games that, although slightly flawed, are a hell of a lot of fun. That said, the problem for me with Madden and EA is that we're not talking about small flaws, or simple features we'd like to see. We're talking about major breakdowns. In NCAA there was the roster glitch and that god-awful AI. (Remember the videos of the CPU defenders running away from the ball-carrier?) In Madden, we're talking about a woefully lacking franchise feature, the WR direct snap feature, lack of stamina impact et al. We're talking basic functioning features of a next generation game. Expectations must be managed. However, we should expect, at the very least, the basics being addressed in a sports game.

I was in no way excusing the shortcomings of Madden with my response post to his. Just pointing out that patches and fans wanting more happens with all video games, not just Madden. It seems sometimes that people think that Madden is the only game that does/needs patches. With that said, it may need more than other games, but it certainly is not the only one as some would want you to believe.

[countryboy]

Quote: Originally Posted by mwjr

As much as I've been disappointed by EA and Madden, I don't think they do it intentionally. I just think it's laziness.

I think its a combination of laziness and the old regime just simply not knowing how to appease their hardcore fanbase. I really question if they really knew what people like us were wanting.

[kt-od]

Quote: Originally Posted by countryboy

I think its a combination of laziness and the old regime just simply not knowing how to appease their hardcore fanbase. I really question if they really knew what people like us were wanting.

That's a good point CB. But after this year with two dev's in the mix, they should know plenty of what this community wants. It is very well voiced. As I'm sure you already know.

[countryboy]

Quote: Originally Posted by kt-od

That's a good point CB. But after this year with two dev's in the mix, they should know plenty of what this community wants. It is very well voiced. As I'm sure you already know.

Agreed 100%.

Madden 2010 will tell the tale so to speak, as to whether they are really listening to us or blowing smoke up our butts.