Madden 09 News Post

Phil Frazier Says No 3rd Patch or DLC For Madden 09

05:02 PM - October 17, 2008 by AndyP

Madden Planet has the scoop.

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	"Update #3? At this point, we are not planning to release another update. We will continue to listen to our fans and if any other widespread issues come up we may change this plan but the fixes made in update #2 solved all of the major problems people were experiencing with the game. Those that continued to have problems had success after completely wiping their old Madden data from their hard drive. DLC? Shortly before the release of Madden NFL 09, we had mentioned that we were looking into the possibility of releasing some post-launch DLC. At this point, DLC isn�t in the cards. Providing DLC is something that will stay on our radar down the road and is certainly something we�d love to provide to our most passionate fans, however at this stage we are no longer actively looking into this for 09."

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# 181 BigTigLSU @ 10/21/08 06:29 PM

Here is an idea... Post your points and feelings in mature fashion or don't post at all.

Last warning to all parties.

# 182 kcq71 @ 10/21/08 10:09 PM

I agree.If you dont like Ford cars dont buy one.I love the NFL.Love attending the games.When my team loses I take it personally.Sunday ticket .Jerseys .DVD Tickets.Hats , Shirts,etc.I spend big money supporting my team.EA, I like a lot of people dont feel we are getting the NFL as we see it on T.V. and in person.Last night I was watching the Pats game where they were going for the fumble.3 or more guys falling down going after it.Cutler getting hurt hitting his hand on a helment, the late hits ,T.O. trash talking the offensive line to get it going,the Peyton Manning audibles,the fiery Jake Delhomme and Steve Smith.Im thinking when will EA football come remotely close to what I see Live and on TV.2010? 2030? I hope they do but till then I wish them the best and Ill save my $60 and buy more Redskins gear . Since Im talking Redskins, HOW BOUT DEM COWBOYS??? and I digress. Like I said no need to bash just dont give em your cash.If you dont like it dont buy it.Money talks...you know the rest

# 183 PVarck31 @ 10/21/08 11:32 PM

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Originally Posted by matt8204


	You're absolutely right. The definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over and expecting a different result.

actually thats einstein's definition.

# 184 matt8204 @ 10/21/08 11:39 PM

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Originally Posted by AK330


	actually thats einstein's definition.

Yup, and he was dead-on. It can apply to any aspect of life. Whether it's eating better, exercising, not drinking and driving. If you want change, you have to change your own actions. It's not going to happen on its own.

# 185 PVarck31 @ 10/22/08 12:17 AM

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Originally Posted by matt8204


	Yup, and he was dead-on. It can apply to any aspect of life. Whether it's eating better, exercising, not drinking and driving. If you want change, you have to change your own actions. It's not going to happen on its own.

oh i wasn't disagreeing. its very true.

# 186 PVarck31 @ 10/22/08 12:20 AM

i am fairly confident nothing will change unless the engine is scrapped or there is a new developer. until then, as far as i am concerned there is no madden 2010.

# 187 azcardsfan81 @ 10/22/08 07:28 AM

wow this is a major disapointment I thought for sure ea would atleast give us real sliders for madden 09

but nope they don't care about the customer so why should we care about the product... I love football so i'm stuck with madden 09 what sad is that ncaa 09 is 100 times better than madden because it has real sliders and online dynasty which is pretty good . But maybe one year ea can actually give us a good game right out of the box without any bugs or dlc neede. I mean how in gods name do you let a sports game go out in production without giving it real sliders.... horrible. I like madden 09 online but thats it

# 188 DrUrsus @ 10/22/08 11:00 AM

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Originally Posted by Segagendude


	And that, sir, is the new catchphrase! Well done.

Sounds like the late Johnny Cochrane (O.J. lawyer).

# 189 DrUrsus @ 10/22/08 11:07 AM

I'm sort of over this, but what bother's me is that they could have just incorporated some of these features into their 2nd patch if they weren't going to do the DLC.

The guy who mentioned the fumbles and how several players went after the ball as it squirted away on Monday night has a point. Why don't we ever see stuff like this in a football game? It is 2008 for God's sake. Where is the atmosphere of the NFL? It just isn't quite there in EA's game. I know I will get flack for this, but it was in NFL 2K5 a few years ago? And no, I am not trying to get into a NFL 2k5 fanboy debate. Just making my point.

The NFL is the one who is truly responsible for us having a not so great NFL experience by eliminating competition. We should all take it up with them. When is this contract expiring? We should all sign an online petition and send it to them.

Look, I don't think Madden 09 sucks. I think it is much better than last years game overall. But, I do believe competition would improve Quality assurance and the overall quality of the game. There just is no excuse for the testing going on over at EA. I used to work in the video game industry so I think I have a leg to stand on. Anyone that thinks there is, is just an EA fanboy.

# 190 matt8204 @ 10/22/08 11:26 AM

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Originally Posted by DrUrsus


	I'm sort of over this, but what bother's me is that they could have just incorporated some of these features into their 2nd patch if they weren't going to do the DLC. The guy who mentioned the fumbles and how several players went after the ball as it squirted away on Monday night has a point. Why don't we ever see stuff like this in a football game? It is 2008 for God's sake. Where is the atmosphere of the NFL? It just isn't quite there in EA's game. I know I will get flack for this, but it was in NFL 2K5 a few years ago? And no, I am not trying to get into a NFL 2k5 fanboy debate. Just making my point. The NFL is the one who is truly responsible for us having a not so great NFL experience by eliminating competition. We should all take it up with them. When is this contract expiring? We should all sign an online petition and send it to them. Look, I don't think Madden 09 sucks. I think it is much better than last years game overall. But, I do believe competition would improve Quality assurance and the overall quality of the game. There just is no excuse for the testing going on over at EA. I used to work in the video game industry so I think I have a leg to stand on. Anyone that thinks there is, is just an EA fanboy.

It was extended until 2012 last year. So that means at least three more years of no competition.

# 191 rudyjuly2 @ 10/22/08 11:53 AM

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Originally Posted by DrUrsus


	I'm sort of over this, but what bother's me is that they could have just incorporated some of these features into their 2nd patch if they weren't going to do the DLC.

There are patch limitations imposed upon EA, particularly by MS. MS and EA had a deal where EA got to do two free patches for Madden through an agreement. However, the total size of those patches cannot exceed XX MB. The EA guys said the accelerated clock feature alone would have exceeded the patch size limit. As for the cpu sliders, I don't know about that.

# 192 bigsmallwood @ 10/22/08 12:02 PM

NFL 2K5 is the PLATINUM STANDARD when it comes to NFL Football gaming....Madden has fumbled (intentionally) every year since they have had the license...Why don't people want to accept that fact. Anytime a new game comes out and people are already talking about "Can we get a patch to fix this...." or "Next year they need to finally do X,Y and Z"....that is not good for your game...because that means it is almost a defective product. EA releases these games to get you to continue buying year after year. Look at what they have done with Madden over the last 4 years....Only one REAL innovative thing and that was the Lead-Blocking controls...other than that...mmmmm...Save your money!

# 193 boooey @ 10/22/08 12:11 PM

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Originally Posted by DrUrsus


	The guy who mentioned the fumbles and how several players went after the ball as it squirted away on Monday night has a point. Why don't we ever see stuff like this in a football game? It is 2008 for God's sake.

I'd like to see guys pull up with injuries during the actual play, not just lay on the ground after.. Like a WR or cornerback pulling up lame with a bad hamstring while in coverage, or running a route and the pass flies over the WR head as a result, or the receiver gets wide open as a result.

Now that would be awesome.

I guess this should go in the wishlist thread..

EDIT: oh yea.. helmets need to fly off also, but only on the hardest of hits.. I have seen helmets fly off at least 3-4 times this years already.
Tell me that wouldn't fire you up if you rocked your opponet so hard his helmet flew off.. lol.. it used to be in the game, and should be put back.

and previous maddens used to let you perform late hits and get personal fouls.. that should come back as well.

ok, i'll stop now as i am really going off topic.. there are just so many missing elements in this game its hard to control myself sometimes.

# 194 SoxFan01605 @ 10/22/08 12:13 PM

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Originally Posted by boooey


	I'd like to see guys pull up with injuries during the actual play, not just lay on the ground after.. Like a WR or cornerback pulling up lame with a bad hamstring while in coverage, or running a route and the pass flies over the WR head as a result, or the receiver gets wide open as a result. Now that would be awesome. I guess this should go in the wishlist thread..

I don know Ian mentioned working towards injuries reflecting on the field, but I don't know how much of a priority it is for him at this time. I agree it would be another thing that would go a long way towards helping the immersion issues with Madden.

# 195 mwjr @ 10/22/08 12:33 PM

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Originally Posted by matt8204


	Yup, and he was dead-on. It can apply to any aspect of life. Whether it's eating better, exercising, not drinking and driving. If you want change, you have to change your own actions. It's not going to happen on its own.

I believe Peter Brady said it best when he said: "When it's time to change, you've got to rearrange."

Words to live by, my friends.

# 196 countryboy @ 10/22/08 12:33 PM

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Originally Posted by bigsmallwood


	NFL 2K5 is the PLATINUM STANDARD when it comes to NFL Football gaming....Madden has fumbled (intentionally) every year since they have had the license...Why don't people want to accept that fact. Anytime a new game comes out and people are already talking about "Can we get a patch to fix this...." or "Next year they need to finally do X,Y and Z"....that is not good for your game...because that means it is almost a defective product. EA releases these games to get you to continue buying year after year. Look at what they have done with Madden over the last 4 years....Only one REAL innovative thing and that was the Lead-Blocking controls...other than that...mmmmm...Save your money!

doesnt' that happen with all games though? I mean, we can all agree that NBA 2K9 and The Show are probably two of the best sports simulations on the market today, and both had people asking for patches and wanting "X, Y, Z" to be implemented within a month of the game's release. Thats just the nature of the beast when it comes to message boards that discuss video games.

# 197 mwjr @ 10/22/08 12:35 PM

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Originally Posted by bigsmallwood


	NFL 2K5 is the PLATINUM STANDARD when it comes to NFL Football gaming....Madden has fumbled (intentionally)* every year since they have had the license...*

As much as I've been disappointed by EA and Madden, I don't think they do it intentionally. I just think it's laziness.

# 198 mwjr @ 10/22/08 12:45 PM

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Originally Posted by countryboy


	doesnt' that happen with all games though? I mean, we can all agree that NBA 2K9 and The Show are probably two of the best sports simulations on the market today, and both had people asking for patches and wanting "X, Y, Z" to be implemented within a month of the game's release. Thats just the nature of the beast when it comes to message boards that discuss video games.

That's an exceptional point.

While I do think EA has been putting out less-than-average products for quite some time, there is a component here that falls on our expectations. Gamers from way back when didn't have these lofty expectations. But I think that with the advent of the new technology, we've all been expecting things that, simply put, can't be achieved.

It's a microcosm of our culture. *mwjr gets up on his old fart soapbox* Information is available nowadays instantly. People are connected to everyone at any given point in time. Text messaging, instant messaging, facebook, the internet - we've become so spoiled in what we want and when we want it. If something isn't perfect right out of the box, then we're angry. Consequently, if that product isn't fixed immediately, then we become even angrier. We want it. We want it perfect. But, most importantly, we want it now.

It's just not that simple.

Now, I don't expect a perfect game out of the box. It's just not possible. But there are games that, although slightly flawed, are a hell of a lot of fun. That said, the problem for me with Madden and EA is that we're not talking about small flaws, or simple features we'd like to see. We're talking about major breakdowns. In NCAA there was the roster glitch and that god-awful AI. (Remember the videos of the CPU defenders running away from the ball-carrier?) In Madden, we're talking about a woefully lacking franchise feature, the WR direct snap feature, lack of stamina impact et al. We're talking basic functioning features of a next generation game.

Expectations must be managed. However, we should expect, at the very least, the basics being addressed in a sports game.

# 199 countryboy @ 10/22/08 01:06 PM

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Originally Posted by mwjr


	That's an exceptional point. While I do think EA has been putting out less-than-average products for quite some time, there is a component here that falls on our expectations. Gamers from way back when didn't have these lofty expectations. But I think that with the advent of the new technology, we've all been expecting things that, simply put, can't be achieved. It's a microcosm of our culture. mwjr gets up on his old fart soapbox Information is available nowadays instantly. People are connected to everyone at any given point in time. Text messaging, instant messaging, facebook, the internet - we've become so spoiled in what we want and when we want it. If something isn't perfect right out of the box, then we're angry. Consequently, if that product isn't fixed immediately, then we become even angrier. We want it. We want it perfect. But, most importantly, we want it now. It's just not that simple. Now, I don't expect a perfect game out of the box. It's just not possible. But there are games that, although slightly flawed, are a hell of a lot of fun. That said, the problem for me with Madden and EA is that we're not talking about small flaws, or simple features we'd like to see. We're talking about major breakdowns. In NCAA there was the roster glitch and that god-awful AI. (Remember the videos of the CPU defenders running *away* from the ball-carrier?) In Madden, we're talking about a woefully lacking franchise feature, the WR direct snap feature, lack of stamina impact et al. We're talking basic functioning features of a next generation game. Expectations must be managed. However, we should expect, at the very least, the basics being addressed in a sports game.

I was in no way excusing the shortcomings of Madden with my response post to his. Just pointing out that patches and fans wanting more happens with all video games, not just Madden. It seems sometimes that people think that Madden is the only game that does/needs patches. With that said, it may need more than other games, but it certainly is not the only one as some would want you to believe.

# 200 countryboy @ 10/22/08 01:07 PM

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Originally Posted by mwjr


	As much as I've been disappointed by EA and Madden, I don't think they do it intentionally. I just think it's laziness.

I think its a combination of laziness and the old regime just simply not knowing how to appease their hardcore fanbase. I really question if they really knew what people like us were wanting.

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