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MLB The Show 16 Player Ratings - Top Players at Each Position

08:23 PM - March 10, 2016 by Steve_OS

The developer team has revealed the top MLB The Show 16 player ratings at each position. Check them out here.

Below are the top players in the game.

Mike Trout - 99 Overall
Clayton Kershaw - 99 Overall
Bryce Harper - 97 Overall
Josh Donaldson - 96 Overall
Miguel Cabrera - 96 Overall
Paul Goldschmidt - 96 Overall
Max Scherzer - 95 Overall
Jake Arrieta -95 Overall
Zack Greinke - 95 Overall
Manny Machado - 94 Overall
David Price - 94 Overall
Chris Sale - 94 Overall
Jose Altuve - 94 Overall
Matt Harvey - 94 Overall
Joey Votto - 94 Overall
Andrew McCutchen - 94 Overall
Buster Posey - 94 Overall
Wade Davis - 93 Overall
Felix Hernandez - 93 Overall
Jose Fernandez - 93 Overall
Giancarlo Stanton - 93 Overall
Jacob deGrom - 93 Overall
Nolan Arenado - 93 Overall
Kenley Jansen - 93 Overall
Madison Bumgarner - 93 Overall
Craig Kimbrel - 93 Overall
Troy Tulowitzki - 93 Overall

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# 101 letsgomets75 @ 03/14/16 11:50 AM

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Originally Posted by Cavicchi


	So how do you know what kind of wild pitch it was? You guys know there are wild pitches that sail over the batter's head? How many of those "wild pitches" were over the batter's head, or just basically impossible to catch or block? I consider that wild pitch data useless information, unless you can provide a breakdown of what kind of wild pitch it was. I believe they awarded Perez three consecutive gold gloves and at least one Wilson Defensive Player of the Year with "wild pitches" included.

While there may be a difference in the types of wild pitches, I think it's safe to assume that both catchers had a similar amount of unblockable wild pitches. Perez may have had more, maybe Posey had more or maybe they had the exact same amount of unblockable wild pitches. Nobody is going to know the exact numbers so the wild pitch numbers are all that matter, you're grasping at straws. Perez is a great defensive catcher and has earned those awards, but he hasn't had much competition. Posey doesn't have any awards because he competes against the best defensive catcher of all time.

# 102 Cavicchi @ 03/14/16 12:06 PM

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Originally Posted by tessl


	Some of this is just baseball 101. The official scorer at the game rules on whether it is a passed ball or wild pitch. When a pitch is thrown that is not caught by the catcher and a runner advances, it is scored as a wild pitch (WP) or passed ball (PB) as per scoring rule 10.13. The difference comes down to whether or not the ball could have been handled with ordinary effort. If it could, then it�s a passed ball, otherwise a wild pitch. One specific hard and fast rule to use is that any pitch that hits the ground prior to getting to the catcher is always a wild pitch. Catchers only block pitches in the dirt. They use the catchers mitt to catch balls which are not in the dirt. I used 2012-2014 because those are they years the show based the ratings on for mlbts 15 and that rating is what you were confused about. If I had included 2015 it would have been the same - Posey had fewer wild pitches allowed per inning - WPApi.

Wild pitches are not just pitches in the dirt. You need a breakdown of the type of wild pitch for that data to be significant. Without knowing what type and if it was reasonably possible to be caught or blocked, I consider it lacking pertinent information.

I want facts, not assumptions.

# 103 p00p1 @ 03/14/16 12:30 PM

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Originally Posted by Cavicchi


	Wild pitches are not just pitches in the dirt. You need a breakdown of the type of wild pitch for that data to be significant. Without knowing what type and if it was reasonably possible to be caught or blocked, I consider it lacking pertinent information. A I want facts, not assumptions.

You're the one who presented the argument, it should be on you to prove it with more than GGs. Google it, RPP = Catcher Blocked Pitches in runs above average, excluding 2015 which isn't calculated: Posey 9.1 Perez 3.5. Maybe if Perez played in the NL he wouldn't have so many fancy awards.

# 104 Cavicchi @ 03/14/16 12:30 PM

The only data I can find relative to Perez and his blocking skills are in the link below:

http://www.beyondtheboxscore.com/201...s-molina-perez

I don't see Posey among the leaders.

"This very well may be a contributing reason to Perez's elite blocking; however, although the Kansas City staff has undoubtedly worked with him to dial back in order to avoid tipping pitches, habits are habits."

The link is to 2013 GG awards for 2013 season. Perez entered the majors in 2011 at the age of 21.

# 105 Cavicchi @ 03/14/16 12:34 PM

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Originally Posted by tessl


	Why would a catcher block a ball which isn't in the dirt?

Do you think that Wild Pitch data you use from fangraphs only states blocked balls in the dirt? You don't believe that data also includes 0ther types of wild pitches?

See my post above yours.

# 106 Cavicchi @ 03/14/16 12:38 PM

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Originally Posted by p00p1


	You're the one who presented the argument, it should be on you to prove it with more than GGs. Google it, RPP = Catcher Blocked Pitches in runs above average, excluding 2015 which isn't calculated: Posey 9.1 Perez 3.5. Maybe if Perez played in the NL he wouldn't have so many fancy awards.

See my post below yours.

# 107 Cavicchi @ 03/14/16 12:49 PM

Sorry for the consecutive posts, but just have to post this for all to see from that link http://www.beyondtheboxscore.com/201...s-molina-perez

"As illustrated in the AL blocking leaders graphic, Perez had an MLB-best blocking percentage on expected passed balls, but his RPP ranks 10th amongst MLB 600+ inning catchers; plus, despite facing 14 more expected passed ball pitches than the RPP league leader Molina, he allowed the same number. For a little known fact drawn from the Molina/Perez comparison, note that this past season Perez not only had 147 more blocks, a block per game more than Molina, but further, Perez posted more blocks and blocks/9 than Molina has amassed in any of his six consecutive Gold Glove seasons. Brief conclusion: be wary of Perez's "low" (still 4th in the AL) RPP � he is a premier, if not the premier pitch blocking catcher in the game today, although his numbers may potentially be inflated by more opportunities."

# 108 Speedy @ 03/14/16 12:54 PM

Y'awl are arguing about wild pitches.

# 109 Cavicchi @ 03/14/16 12:58 PM

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Originally Posted by Speedy


	Y'awl are arguing about wild pitches.

Relative to pitch blocking, I am not interested in wild pitch data anymore

# 110 JTommy67 @ 03/14/16 04:30 PM

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Originally Posted by tessl


	Could you give an example of multiple players at the same position whose defensive ratings you think are incorrect relative to each other?

Well one that had me perplexed is DJ LeMahieu's arm accuracy rating of 37. Calculating a throwing error percentage using just about any denominator (assists, balls fielded, total chances, etc...) he not only was tops in the majors, but came in first or second out of all second basemen since 1988, which is the first year I believe that throwing error data is complete for all teams.

Even if you credit first basemen for saving a lot of bad throws, it's hard to see why he is just a 37. Granted, I don't know much about him, but this is an example of what I'm talking about. They rated him a 37 the first year (three years ago), and then never changed it - it's been the same every year since despite making so few throwing errors.

In general, I didn't compare individual players. I just happened to notice stuff like this once in awhile.

# 111 Sip_16 @ 03/14/16 08:29 PM

I still can't get over someone actually believea Ellsbury is a top 3 CF.

# 112 Balla Da Le Playa @ 03/14/16 09:16 PM

regarding Ellsbury, somebody's stuck in 2011. an 82 is generous maybe to generous

# 113 letsgomets75 @ 03/14/16 11:39 PM

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Originally Posted by NYC22


	Check the stats, bitch.

Maybe you should : http://www.baseball-reference.com/pl...llsbja01.shtml

Quite the fall since 2011.

# 114 MrOldboy @ 03/15/16 12:53 AM

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Originally Posted by letsgomets75


	Maybe you should : http://www.baseball-reference.com/pl...llsbja01.shtml Quite the fall since 2011.

Ellsbury's numbers are actually pretty good over the past 3 seasons or so. Last year he fell off, but he is one year removed from a 4.0 fWAR season. Compared to his monster 2011, sure, he's fallen quite a bit, but he is still a solid CF.

# 115 HozAndMoose @ 03/15/16 01:01 AM

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Originally Posted by NYC22


	Check the stats, bitch.

Which stat are we supposed to be checking?

Batting

Last 3 years (minimum 1000 PA)

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Last 2 years (minimum 750 PA)

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And last year with no minimum

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Fielding

Last 3 years (2500 innings)

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Last 2 years (1500 innings)

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Last year (900 innings)

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# 116 HozAndMoose @ 03/15/16 01:02 AM

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Originally Posted by MrOldboy


	Ellsbury's numbers are actually pretty good over the past 3 seasons or so. Last year he fell off, but he is one year removed from a 4.0 fWAR season. Compared to his monster 2011, sure, he's fallen quite a bit, but he is still a solid CF.

Still not even top 3 over last 3 years though

# 117 MrOldboy @ 03/15/16 02:21 AM

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Originally Posted by HozAndMoose


	Still not even top 3 over last 3 years though

I never mentioned that. Simply responding to the notion that Ellsbury doesn't deserve an 82 OVR. That puts him in the upper 10 or so CF's in the game which makes sense given his production over the past 3 years+.

# 118 Denzel Washington @ 03/15/16 03:01 AM

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Originally Posted by coachprattico2


	Ellsbury is a top 3 CF in mlb...he was clearly hurt...look at stats before he got hurt....82 is crap and Tanaka is only 88...that's definitely not fair...he lead AL in WHIP and also pitched hurt...you'll see this year what's up and they'll have to update them...glad to hear your a fan tho!

Ellsbury isn't even in consideration for top 5 let alone top 3. He's an aging player whose value originates from speed and defense. 2 things which do not age well and even if he somehow manages to duplicate his 2014 season that still isn't enough to say he's better than Trout, Pollock, Mccutchen, Kiermaier or Cain.

Tanaka is fine at 89. He had a relatively poor season and who knows how he pitches given that he opted to not have TJ surgery and you can tell that it's affecting his performance. WHIP is a useless stat unless you're playing fantasy baseball.

# 119 Denzel Washington @ 03/15/16 03:13 AM

I hope Kyle Hendricks gets the bump up he deserves. He needs to be around an 83 or 84 overall.

29th in the league in K/9
27th in BB/9
16th in GB%

Also I think it's ridiculous that Sonny Gray can be a 92 when he has such middle of the pack peripherals.

# 120 Denzel Washington @ 03/15/16 03:23 AM

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Originally Posted by underdog13


	Well yeah considering he had the 21st best era in the majors. Around 18th seems about right...

Can't believe we are bringing up ERA to talk about how good a pitcher is

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